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Re: Police Investigate German Historian for Hitler-Putin Meme

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Please don't troll

Not trolling, this is my opinion. There has been a sacralisation of the Holocaust, and blasphemy laws are a consequence of this. When you prosecute someone not for promoting or excusing Nazism but simply for evoking it without the due respect, you are repeating what religious authorities did for centuries.

You have no clue what you are talking about. Sincerely, a German.

Re: Police Investigate German Historian for Hitler-Putin Meme

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post #11

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Not trolling, this is my opinion. There has been a sacralisation of the Holocaust, and blasphemy laws are a consequence of this. When you prosecute someone not for promoting or excusing Nazism but simply for evoking it without the due respect, you are repeating what religious authorities did for centuries.

You have no clue what you are talking about. Sincerely, a German.

It is being taught mandatory in schools a certain way with visits to museums and other historical sites that are being displayed and acted out like a theatrical play all payed by taxes, it is illegal to talk about it any other way, there are annual ceremonies and other events with political leaders paying there tribute.

tell me how that is different from any other religion with customs in staunch religious countries.

Re: Police Investigate German Historian for Hitler-Putin Meme

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not trolling, this is my opinion. There has been a sacralisation of the Holocaust, and blasphemy laws are a consequence of this. When you prosecute someone not for promoting or excusing Nazism but simply for evoking it without the due respect, you are repeating what religious authorities did for centuries.

You have no clue what you are talking about. Sincerely, a German.

The sacralisation of the Holocaust and consequent "blasphemy laws" have been pushed in the public discourse not only in Germany but throughout Europe. Germany happens for obvious reasons to be the country most receptive to it. Sincerely, a European.

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post #11

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You have no clue what you are talking about. Sincerely, a German.

It is being taught mandatory in schools a certain way with visits to museums and other historical sites that are being displayed and acted out like a theatrical play all payed by taxes, it is illegal to talk about it any other way, there are annual ceremonies and other events with political leaders paying there tribute. tell me how that is different from any other religion with customs in staunch religious countries.

The Holocaust actually happened and was the systemic mass murder of millions of people.

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post #11

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You have no clue what you are talking about. Sincerely, a German.

It is being taught mandatory in schools a certain way with visits to museums and other historical sites that are being displayed and acted out like a theatrical play all payed by taxes, it is illegal to talk about it any other way, there are annual ceremonies and other events with political leaders paying there tribute. tell me how that is different from any other religion with customs in staunch religious countries.

Germany has seen one of the most atrocious crimes we know of; an industrialised genocide facilitated by the state, enabled by a whole society.

Everything you try to frame as some perversion of a religion here is an attempt of ensuring the memory of this is being kept alive, even after those responsible and their victims are gone. There is nothing to believe here, because in contrast to religions, this is about preservation of the actual past. It’s provable.

Re: Police Investigate German Historian for Hitler-Putin Meme

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It is being taught mandatory in schools a certain way with visits to museums and other historical sites that are being displayed and acted out like a theatrical play all payed by taxes, it is illegal to talk about it any other way, there are annual ceremonies and other events with political leaders paying there tribute. tell me how that is different from any other religion with customs in staunch religious countries.

The Holocaust actually happened and was the systemic mass murder of millions of people.

What makes you think religion can only be about things that didn't happen?

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post #16

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It is being taught mandatory in schools a certain way with visits to museums and other historical sites that are being displayed and acted out like a theatrical play all payed by taxes, it is illegal to talk about it any other way, there are annual ceremonies and other events with political leaders paying there tribute. tell me how that is different from any other religion with customs in staunch religious countries.

Germany has seen one of the most atrocious crimes we know of; an industrialised genocide facilitated by the state, enabled by a whole society. Everything you try to frame as some perversion of a religion here is an attempt of ensuring the memory of this is being kept alive, even after those responsible and their victims are gone. There is nothing to believe here, because in contrast to religions, this is about preser…

>because in contrast to religions, this is about preservation of the actual past

That is exactly the whole reason for the existence of religion. Passing down history, stories, events, social norms and opinions. I guess this kind of fanatical knee-jerk reaction is to be expected on here.

Re: Police Investigate German Historian for Hitler-Putin Meme

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post #16

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Germany has seen one of the most atrocious crimes we know of; an industrialised genocide facilitated by the state, enabled by a whole society. Everything you try to frame as some perversion of a religion here is an attempt of ensuring the memory of this is being kept alive, even after those responsible and their victims are gone. There is nothing to believe here, because in contrast to religions, this is about preser…

>because in contrast to religions, this is about preservation of the actual past That is exactly the whole reason for the existence of religion. Passing down history, stories, events, social norms and opinions. I guess this kind of fanatical knee-jerk reaction is to be expected on here.

This is such a ridiculous contrarian take. Religion is rooted in faith, not empirical evidence. It makes metaphysical claims, whereas there are still a few living witnesses of the Third Reich; it answers existential questions, while Holocaust remembrance aims to prevent recurrence.

I do agree that there's a certain amount of ritualism around it, but that doesn't even remotely equate to a religion. Suggesting so also implies whether the Holocaust actually happened is up for debate, or merely indoctrination. Refuting this isn't a knee-jerk reaction, it's annoyance over a shallow dismissal by an edgy arm-chair expert.

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