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Allow me to get to know you, mistakes and all

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Re: Allow me to get to know you, mistakes and all

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It feels so disrespectful sometimes too, having to read a long paragraph that conveys so little meaning knowing full well the original prompt was probably very short and I'm now wasting extra time parsing the hollow LLM text expansion.

Easy fix: use an LLM to summarize it.

(only half-joking, a part of me fears that this is the reality we’re moving towards)

Re: Allow me to get to know you, mistakes and all

#13

Yeah, some colleagues started using ChatGPT for internal communication as well. While we don’t like to mandate or prohibit anyone from using any tools, we did need to make it really clear to everyone that this is not productive. Grammarly to make small corrections to external recipients is fine. Using ChatGPT to “polish” your message is not. If you’re not sure about your English abilities, we offer you free English l…

Tbe hard truth is at work there is no authenticity.

Bad thing X has been happening for a while. Let's all work towards making it worse.

Re: Allow me to get to know you, mistakes and all

#14

Yeah, some colleagues started using ChatGPT for internal communication as well. While we don’t like to mandate or prohibit anyone from using any tools, we did need to make it really clear to everyone that this is not productive. Grammarly to make small corrections to external recipients is fine. Using ChatGPT to “polish” your message is not. If you’re not sure about your English abilities, we offer you free English l…

Tbe hard truth is at work there is no authenticity.

Definitely not getting any better if everyone starts using ChatGPT for private communications.

Re: Allow me to get to know you, mistakes and all

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post #6

> It robs me of getting to know you. Ugh, you are not entitled to get to know me. There is a threshold between all that I share with the world and the rest of me. Hell, not every person gets the same picture , and that's deliberate and healthy --my customers don't get to know what my proctologist knows. My mother doesn't get to know what my wife knows. You don't get to know all of me, because I don't trust you . This…

Weaponised therapy speak is gross. This article was not asking you to spill your life story to every person you meet, it was asking you to speak with your own voice, which is a perfectly normal and in no way entitled thing to be asking.

Re: Allow me to get to know you, mistakes and all

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In emails...whatever. I can tell it's there but fine whatever, we're just trying to get a message across LLM or otherwise.

But this was the first year I saw it in performance review write-ups which frankly was jarring. Here is feedback supposedly 1:1 that massively affects this person's life and their perception of "worth" so to speak...and it's just AI.

Notably it was split by geography. EU countries closest to organic, india slop trainwreck, US in the middle

Sorta made me conclude "ok i guess that's the end of performance reviews that vaguely mean anything & actually get read"

Re: Allow me to get to know you, mistakes and all

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I really don't mind text filtered through an LLM per se. But I prefer high signal-to-token so to speak. The way humans talk and write means that the seemingly extraneous text they add often provides an interesting insight into the thought patterns of the person, and therefore mistakes or even pointless monologues can be interesting.

This is not always true. Once there was an online reaction to short content that made people treat "long-form" content as desirable entirely due to its length. I rather like reading books and the New Yorker's fiction section when I still subscribed, but much of this "long-form" content was token-expansion of a formulaic nature which I did not enjoy. LLMs have mastered this kind of long-form token-expansion.

This is assuming people are using an LLM in good faith, obviously. One day, perhaps LLMs will learn to express what someone is saying in an elegant way that is enjoyable for people like me to read. But even then, I will have the difficulty of distinguishing whether this is a human speaking through an LLM in good faith or a human who has set up a machine that is set up to mimic a human.

The latter is undesirable to me because I have access to the best such machines at a remarkably low cost. Were I to desire a conversation with an LLM, it is trivial for me to find one. I'm not coming here for that[0].

A sufficiently insightful LLM which prompts my thinking in certain ways wouldn't be unwelcome to me, I suppose. I have a couple of my friends for whom I still go on Twitter to read what they say even after I have stopped using the site routinely. If I found out the posts were entirely an LLM I think I would still read them simply because I find the posts useful and with sufficiently high signal-to-token.

0: Certainly, if every place only spoke about things I was interested in and never in things I was not interested in, I wouldn't need separation of interest spaces at all. But the variation of interest vectors for different humans has made this impossible.

Re: Allow me to get to know you, mistakes and all

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post #11

It feels so disrespectful sometimes too, having to read a long paragraph that conveys so little meaning knowing full well the original prompt was probably very short and I'm now wasting extra time parsing the hollow LLM text expansion.

Easy fix: use an LLM to summarize it. (only half-joking, a part of me fears that this is the reality we’re moving towards)

That's absolutely what's happening already: write for me for the writer, summarise this for me for the reader. At some point it will become clear how absurdly wasteful we're being (right now, we're being paid to ignore that waste).

Re: Allow me to get to know you, mistakes and all

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easy fix: use an LLM to summarize it. (only half-joking, a part of me fears that this is the reality we’re moving towards)

That's absolutely what's happening already: write for me for the writer, summarise this for me for the reader. At some point it will become clear how absurdly wasteful we're being (right now, we're being paid to ignore that waste).

We need to come up with a catchy buzzword salad to market to executives. Something like "increased communication efficiency between workers by direct brain-email-brain interface"

Re: Allow me to get to know you, mistakes and all

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Imagine going to work or a social meeting where everyone looks and sounds the same(or just a limited set) all with the same perfect tone, body language and communication style. Sounds like a nightmare and I would find it hard to relate and get that "perspective", when there is nothing to differentiate a person.

I guess everyone using LLMs for text is similar to that. If everyone uses the same LLM style, its hard to understand where the other person is coming from. This is not a problem for technical and precise communication though(the choice of LLMs in that context has other risks).

It is also strictly not an LLM capability problem because they can mimic or retain the original style and just "polish" with enough hints but that takes time, investment and people go through path of least resistance. So, we all end up with similar text with typical AI-isms.

There are other reasons to dislike LLM text like padding and effort asymmetry that have been discussed here enough.

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