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John Carmack about open source and anti-AI activists

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Re: John Carmack about open source and anti-AI activists

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Post by js2 »

OSaMaBiNLoGiN wrote: post #4

I think one of the more prominent issues folks take with mass training on OSS is that the companies doing it are now profiting for having done it. In his follow-up post he talks about him open sourcing old games as a gift, and he doesn't much care how people receive that gift, just that they do. He doesn't acknowledge that Anthropic, OpenAI, etc, are profiting while the original authors are not. The original authors…

This is just the divide between capital and labor though, isn't it? See also: everything is a remix; great artists steal.

I'm on both sides. I've contributed to open source. I use AI both in my personal projects now and to make money for my employer.

I'm still not sure how I feel about any of it, but to me the bigger problem is the division between capital and labor and the growing wealth inequality divide.

Re: John Carmack about open source and anti-AI activists

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Post by lavela »

There is code I gift to the world that I license as MIT or similar and there is code I publish as a means for furthering what I perceive as a advanced society which I license as GPL or similar.

I don't ask anyone to share my ideals but conflating these two is dishonest.

Re: John Carmack about open source and anti-AI activists

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Post by boredtofears »

OSaMaBiNLoGiN wrote: post #4

I think one of the more prominent issues folks take with mass training on OSS is that the companies doing it are now profiting for having done it. In his follow-up post he talks about him open sourcing old games as a gift, and he doesn't much care how people receive that gift, just that they do. He doesn't acknowledge that Anthropic, OpenAI, etc, are profiting while the original authors are not. The original authors…

Its a lot less odd when you remember that he's running an AI company himself.

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Post by minimaxir »

emiliobumachar wrote: post #5

As I understand it, the anti-AI stance of open source software people in particular has nothing to do with AI learning from code bases, and everything to do with AI slop clogging all unrestricted community feedback channels.

It's both, although the latter is more prominent.

Re: John Carmack about open source and anti-AI activists

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Post by 3rodents »

emiliobumachar wrote: post #5

As I understand it, the anti-AI stance of open source software people in particular has nothing to do with AI learning from code bases, and everything to do with AI slop clogging all unrestricted community feedback channels.

Yeah — isn’t he confusing the arguments against AI art?

I’m against AI art because it is built on stealing the work of artists who did not consent to their work being trained on.

I couldn’t care less about models trained on the open source software I released, because I released it to be used.

edit: I’m assuming licenses were respected

Re: John Carmack about open source and anti-AI activists

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Post by tadfisher »

emiliobumachar wrote: post #5

As I understand it, the anti-AI stance of open source software people in particular has nothing to do with AI learning from code bases, and everything to do with AI slop clogging all unrestricted community feedback channels.

Oh, I thought it was about the wholesale theft (relicensing) of code by laundering through an LLM trained on the same code. ¿Porque no los dos?
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