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A Plain Anabaptist Story: The Hutterites

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Re: A Plain Anabaptist Story: The Hutterites

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Its partly because you are putting an Abrahamic framing on it. For example, Buddhists do think you advance by giving up all attachments, which includes not only sex, but all forms of love for individuals - the Buddha left his wife, child, and society to seek enlightenment, and that is their ideal. Buddhist monks are celibate. Hinduism can be very austere too. Christianity is actually a pretty sex positive religion -…

>Christianity is actually a pretty sex positive religion - the Catholic Church requires sex as part of a sacrament (a marriage is only valid if consummate) and there are similar rules in the other big churches. Christianity considers any sexual activity other than heterosexual sex for procreation within marriage to be sinful, and female sexuality to be inherently corrupting because "it was Eve who tempted Adam in the…

> Christianity considers any sexual activity other than heterosexual sex for procreation within marriage to be sinful,

Mostly true, except the "for procreation only" part. That's specific to Cathlicism.

Protestant doctrine tends to be "anything goes, so long as it's in marriage", with the implication that marriage is heterosexual.

> and female sexuality to be inherently corrupting because "it was Eve who tempted Adam in the Garden of Eden."

I don't know of any non-sectarian modern Christian group that think like this. I don't think it was even current thought at the time of the Reformation.

> The Christian dogma

You are, once again, talking about Catholicism. No other denomination calls their teaching "dogma", because only Catholicism claims to be infallible. And for that reason, any serious error in their dogma is nearly impossible to excuse without some serious mental gymnastics. Other denominations can go to the Bible and point to a passage showing some attitude was wrong, change their doctrine and move on. But not Catholicism.

I also heard these things in sociology class at school, but they are outdated and partially incorrect. And it's a very anachronistic interpretation of history.

> That isn't "sex positive" in any commonly understood sense of the term.

No indeed. Modern Christians aren't either. But that's not what the GP was referring to. What you got was women actually being consulted on who they should marry, getting basic human rights and so on. Which, at the time of the first century A.C., was rather revolutionary. A lot of these were weakened over time by Catholic (and also some Protestant) culture, but treating people like people is very much a big message in the Bible.

Another big message in the Bible is restraint, so of course Christianity can never be fully "sex positive" in the modern anything-goes sense of the term.

Re: A Plain Anabaptist Story: The Hutterites

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Serious question: do other religions inspire/invite/create these kind of nutso, radical-agenda splinters? There's the sect that died out because they believed all sex was sinful, even in marriage. Various doomsday cults. Anabaptists taking over cities forcibly (OK, that's a common religious thing...). I mean, I can think of a few non-Christian examples, but most of what I'm aware of originate from OT+NT bible followe…

Its partly because you are putting an Abrahamic framing on it. For example, Buddhists do think you advance by giving up all attachments, which includes not only sex, but all forms of love for individuals - the Buddha left his wife, child, and society to seek enlightenment, and that is their ideal. Buddhist monks are celibate. Hinduism can be very austere too. Christianity is actually a pretty sex positive religion -…

Buddhists don't universally abstain from sex in religious practice. Tibetan Buddhism encompasses tantric traditions, which can include sexual rituals among others.

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Serious question: do other religions inspire/invite/create these kind of nutso, radical-agenda splinters? There's the sect that died out because they believed all sex was sinful, even in marriage. Various doomsday cults. Anabaptists taking over cities forcibly (OK, that's a common religious thing...). I mean, I can think of a few non-Christian examples, but most of what I'm aware of originate from OT+NT bible followe…

Its partly because you are putting an Abrahamic framing on it. For example, Buddhists do think you advance by giving up all attachments, which includes not only sex, but all forms of love for individuals - the Buddha left his wife, child, and society to seek enlightenment, and that is their ideal. Buddhist monks are celibate. Hinduism can be very austere too. Christianity is actually a pretty sex positive religion -…

Thanks to all these thoughtful commenters.

Re: A Plain Anabaptist Story: The Hutterites

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Its partly because you are putting an Abrahamic framing on it. For example, Buddhists do think you advance by giving up all attachments, which includes not only sex, but all forms of love for individuals - the Buddha left his wife, child, and society to seek enlightenment, and that is their ideal. Buddhist monks are celibate. Hinduism can be very austere too. Christianity is actually a pretty sex positive religion -…

Buddhists don't universally abstain from sex in religious practice. Tibetan Buddhism encompasses tantric traditions, which can include sexual rituals among others.

Yes, Buddhism is very varied so there are exceptions. What I said is certainly true of Theravada Buddhism and AFAIK many other types too.

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Its partly because you are putting an Abrahamic framing on it. For example, Buddhists do think you advance by giving up all attachments, which includes not only sex, but all forms of love for individuals - the Buddha left his wife, child, and society to seek enlightenment, and that is their ideal. Buddhist monks are celibate. Hinduism can be very austere too. Christianity is actually a pretty sex positive religion -…

>Christianity is actually a pretty sex positive religion - the Catholic Church requires sex as part of a sacrament (a marriage is only valid if consummate) and there are similar rules in the other big churches. Christianity considers any sexual activity other than heterosexual sex for procreation within marriage to be sinful, and female sexuality to be inherently corrupting because "it was Eve who tempted Adam in the…

Maybe not by the standards of the modern west, but it is by the standards of many other cultures and many other religions.

The important thing is that sex is per se an intrinsically good thing.

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>Christianity is actually a pretty sex positive religion - the Catholic Church requires sex as part of a sacrament (a marriage is only valid if consummate) and there are similar rules in the other big churches. Christianity considers any sexual activity other than heterosexual sex for procreation within marriage to be sinful, and female sexuality to be inherently corrupting because "it was Eve who tempted Adam in the…

> Christianity considers any sexual activity other than heterosexual sex for procreation within marriage to be sinful, Mostly true, except the "for procreation only" part. That's specific to Cathlicism. Protestant doctrine tends to be "anything goes, so long as it's in marriage", with the implication that marriage is heterosexual. > and female sexuality to be inherently corrupting because "it was Eve who tempted Adam…

catholicism is not procreation only, for example sex on a calendar of "rhythm method" contraception is ok
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