Because they are still making the same salary. In 5 years, when their job is eliminated, and they can't find work, they will regret their decision.
Their decision to... use AI for coding?
Coding after coders: The end of computer programming as we know it?
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#12Another trash article from the New York Times, who financially benefit from this type of content because of their ongoing litigation against OpenAI. I think the assumption that developers don't code is wrong. Most software engineers don't even want to code, they are opportunists looking to make money. I have yet to experience this cliff of coding. These people aren't asking for hard enough questions. I have a bunch of things I want AI to build that it completely fails on.
The article could have been written from a very different perspective. Instead, the "journalists" likely interviewed a few insiders from Big Tech and generalized. They don't get it. They never will.
Before the advent of ChatGPT, maybe 2 in 100 people could code. I was actually hoping AI would increase programming literacy but it didn't, it became even more rare. Many journalists could have come at it from this perspective, but instead painted doom and gloom for coders and computer programming.
The New York Times should look in the mirror. With the advent of the iPad, most experts agreed that they would go out of business because a majority of their revenue came from print media. Look what happened.
Understand this, most professional software and IT engineers hate coding. It was a flex to say you no longer code professionally before ChatGPT. It's still a flex now. But it's corrupt journalism when there is a clear conflict of interest because the NYT is suing the hell out of AI companies.
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#14> it could also be that these software jobs won’t pay as well as in the past, because, of course, the jobs aren’t as hard as they used to be. Acquiring the skills isn’t as challenging. This sounds opposite to what the article said earlier: newbies aren’t able to get as much use out of these coding agents as the more experienced programmers do.
This article is ragebaiting people and it's an embarrassing piece from the NYT.
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#15Because we love tech? I'm absolutely terrified about the future of employment in this field, but I wouldn't give up this insane leap of science fiction technology for anything.
I love tech - tech that actually works well. The current tech we have for AI does not, so I'm not excited about it.
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#16Because we love tech? I'm absolutely terrified about the future of employment in this field, but I wouldn't give up this insane leap of science fiction technology for anything.
"One such test for Python code, called a pytest"
The brain rot from the author couldn't even think of "unit test".
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#17There is no such thing as "after coders": https://zjpea.substack.com/p/embarrassingly-solved-problems This excerpt: >A.I. had become so good at writing code that Ebert, initially cautious, began letting it do more and more. Now Claude Code does the bulk of it. is a little overstated. I think the brownfield section has things exactly backwards. Claude Code benefits enormously from large, established codebases, and it’…
Regarding LLM's performances on brownfield projects, I thought of Naur's "Programming as Theory Building". He explains an example of a compiler project that is taken over by a team without guidance from the original developers:
> "at [the] later stage the original powerful structure was still visible, but made entirely ineffective by amorphous additions of many different kinds"
Maybe a way of phrasing it is that accumulating a lot of "code quality capital" gives you a lot more leverage over technical debt, but eventually it does catch up.
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#18You have to hold AI hand to do even simple vanilla JS correctly. Or do framework code which is well documented all over the net. I love AI and use it for programming a lot, but the limitations are real.
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#19This is a very one-sided article, unashamedly so.
Where's the references to the decline in quality and embarrassing outages for Amazon, Microsoft, etc?
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#20There is no such thing as "after coders": https://zjpea.substack.com/p/embarrassingly-solved-problems This excerpt: >A.I. had become so good at writing code that Ebert, initially cautious, began letting it do more and more. Now Claude Code does the bulk of it. is a little overstated. I think the brownfield section has things exactly backwards. Claude Code benefits enormously from large, established codebases, and it’…
I spent ~6hrs with Claude trying to fix a web worker bug in a small JS code base Claude made. In the end it failed and I ran out of credits. Claude kept wanting to rip out huge blocks of code and replace entire functions. We never got any closer to a solution. The Claude hype is unreal. My 'on the ground' experience has been vastly different.