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Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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Post by bilekas »

ej31 wrote: post #8
bilekas wrote: post #7

The fact that these tools are 'active' centric, i.e : You must perform an action to validate you're NOT a child, these will never protect children. A predator simply needs not to verify anything and appear benign and ironically more anonymous than law abiding people. I'm not saying the inverse is the answer either, just that if anyone without an agenda of surveillance looked at this for a second, the penny would have…

Age verification doesn't stop determined bad actors, it just builds a database of everyone who cooperated...........

Exactly my point.. And all the industry experts who they must have consulted in to write the laws are coincidently invested in personal data harvesting. Who could have foreseen this happening.

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Post by clumsysmurf »

john_strinlai wrote: post #6

> An FTC spokesperson told CNBC that companies must limit how collected information is used. [...] The agency pointed to existing rules requiring firms to retain personal information only as long as reasonably necessary and to safeguard its confidentiality and integrity. the very same rules that have allowed literally every single piece of my data to be leaked several separate times, and now i have free credit monito…

> now i have free credit monitoring

Might not even matter ...

"TransUnion and Experian, two of the three major credit bureaus, have started dismissing a larger share of consumer complaints without help since the Trump administration began dismantling the CFPB."

https://www.propublica.org/article/credit-report-mistakes-cf...

Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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Post by john_strinlai »

Aurornis wrote: post #5

> Social media company Discord announced plans in February to roll out mandatory age verification globally, Discord’s age verification is optional and only required to disable the image content filter, join adult servers, and a couple other features. I’m not saying it’s a good decision, but I am getting tired of the repeated claim that it’s mandatory to go do age verification to use the service. This lazy reporting i…

>I don’t plan to do the Discord age verification and neither do most of the people I interact with on Discord.

until it becomes law, like it is (or in the process of becoming) ~everywhere.

Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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Post by kristopolous »

bilekas wrote: post #7

The fact that these tools are 'active' centric, i.e : You must perform an action to validate you're NOT a child, these will never protect children. A predator simply needs not to verify anything and appear benign and ironically more anonymous than law abiding people. I'm not saying the inverse is the answer either, just that if anyone without an agenda of surveillance looked at this for a second, the penny would have…

Sob stories about children are always weaponized for oppression.

It was used to bash interracial marriage, gay rights, suppress dissent, attack the first amendment, and now this.

Whenever you hear some dramatic story involving kids about how you have to live a little less free, know the tactic.

Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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Post by righthand »

chewbacha wrote: post #9
Aurornis wrote: post #5

> Social media company Discord announced plans in February to roll out mandatory age verification globally, Discord’s age verification is optional and only required to disable the image content filter, join adult servers, and a couple other features. I’m not saying it’s a good decision, but I am getting tired of the repeated claim that it’s mandatory to go do age verification to use the service. This lazy reporting i…

Maybe! But laws like California’s new law and the Texas law both are making it mandatory from a legal compliance point of view. The direction of these restrictions is not “optional”

It will be when everyone starts leaking from the big players. Age verification will make software development impossible or be impossible to implement without huge investment.

Re: Online age-verification tools for child safety are surveilling adults

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Post by voxic11 »

Aurornis wrote: post #5

> Social media company Discord announced plans in February to roll out mandatory age verification globally, Discord’s age verification is optional and only required to disable the image content filter, join adult servers, and a couple other features. I’m not saying it’s a good decision, but I am getting tired of the repeated claim that it’s mandatory to go do age verification to use the service. This lazy reporting i…

You know that none of those things actually protect children from predators which is the supposed reason for these changes. So when they inevitably don't work Discord will take the next step of requiring age verification from everyone.

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Post by PaulKeeble »

john_strinlai wrote: post #6

> An FTC spokesperson told CNBC that companies must limit how collected information is used. [...] The agency pointed to existing rules requiring firms to retain personal information only as long as reasonably necessary and to safeguard its confidentiality and integrity. the very same rules that have allowed literally every single piece of my data to be leaked several separate times, and now i have free credit monito…

Some of the accounts being blocked from certain access are themselves 18! You would think Reddit would consider that, but nope it doesn't.

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Post by ArchieScrivener »

clumsysmurf wrote: post #12
john_strinlai wrote: post #6

> An FTC spokesperson told CNBC that companies must limit how collected information is used. [...] The agency pointed to existing rules requiring firms to retain personal information only as long as reasonably necessary and to safeguard its confidentiality and integrity. the very same rules that have allowed literally every single piece of my data to be leaked several separate times, and now i have free credit monito…

> now i have free credit monitoring Might not even matter ... "TransUnion and Experian, two of the three major credit bureaus, have started dismissing a larger share of consumer complaints without help since the Trump administration began dismantling the CFPB." https://www.propublica.org/article/credit-report-mistakes-cf...

How much money did the CFPB actually give back to wronged consumers?
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