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Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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> OpenAI, meanwhile, has been attempting to quell the backlash against its deal with the U.S. government, putting out a blog post claiming that “our tools will not be used to conduct domestic surveillance of U.S. persons,”

As a non-US person, that sounds far more concerning than no statement at all. Because if their tools weren't used for surveillance against Europeans they would have said so as a marketing message...

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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I really enjoyed using Claude but the ever changing limits, weird policies (limited to Claude Code, you can't run Openclaw, etc) made switching a very easy choice. OpenAI simply provides more value for the money at the moment.

What a baffling comment. Aren’t you aware of why this exodus is happening? (It’s not related to “value for the money”!) What are your feelings on that part?

It is entirely okay to weigh the Department of War thing against other criteria when choosing a service.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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I really enjoyed using Claude but the ever changing limits, weird policies (limited to Claude Code, you can't run Openclaw, etc) made switching a very easy choice. OpenAI simply provides more value for the money at the moment.

What a baffling comment. Aren’t you aware of why this exodus is happening? (It’s not related to “value for the money”!) What are your feelings on that part?

ever tried living while simultaneously deciding to only patron groups that strictly morally and ethically align to your own personal beliefs?

I would love to, but a practical look at that concept seems practically impossible.

My .02c : Claude was already involved in underhanded shit I don't want a part of[0] and that generated little ethical response from Anthropic , i've had better luck as a 200/mo tier customer with ChatGPT, and I don't really think that Dario claiming that their newest LLM is conscious[1] on a market schedule is all that ethical, either.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Maven [1]: https://tech.yahoo.com/ai/claude/articles/anthropic-ceo-admi...

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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> OpenAI, meanwhile, has been attempting to quell the backlash against its deal with the U.S. government, putting out a blog post claiming that “our tools will not be used to conduct domestic surveillance of U.S. persons,” As a non-US person, that sounds far more concerning than no statement at all. Because if their tools weren't used for surveillance against Europeans they would have said so as a marketing message..…

It's amazing how bad FANG executives are at even knowing what a normal moral thought would be for average people ...

Plus, you know, you'd think they'd ask their cleaner or baker or something. Or hire someone.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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What a baffling comment. Aren’t you aware of why this exodus is happening? (It’s not related to “value for the money”!) What are your feelings on that part?

ever tried living while simultaneously deciding to only patron groups that strictly morally and ethically align to your own personal beliefs? I would love to, but a practical look at that concept seems practically impossible. My .02c : Claude was already involved in underhanded shit I don't want a part of[0] and that generated little ethical response from Anthropic , i've had better luck as a 200/mo tier customer wit…

Why paint the choice as black and white? Most people are doing the best they can morally even if they don't get it 100% right. Even living 60% in accordance with your values is better than 50%. Likewise, bucketing organizations as good or bad misses the same nuance. Choosing something that is slightly better is has positive consequences despite it not being 100% good.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Have you considered using Gemini? Google seems to be on a hot streak with their models, and, since they're playing from behind, I'd expect favorable pricing and terms. But, I don't know anyone who is using or talking about Gemini. All the chatter seems to be Anthropic vs. OpenAI.

because gemini, despite what stats say, still produces garbage once the problem gets harder. it nails it for lab conditions, but messy reality or creativity or even code quality is a far cry from opus or the latest gpt5.4 by a long shot. and always has been. its pretty good inside the GSuite because of integrations, but standalone its near worthless compared to even grok-code-fast which doesn't think much at all (but…

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Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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That's weird, I switched away from ChatGPT because I mostly got superior results from Gemini and Claude.

give 5.4 a shot - its straneg but surprisingly good for once. speaking as a daily opus user.

Used codex cli (5.4) for the first time (had never used codex or gpt for coding before - was using Opus 4.5 for everything), and it seems quite good. One thing I like is it's very focused on tests. Like it will just start setting up units tests for specs without you asking (whereas Opus would never do that unless you asked)-- I like that and think it's generally good. One thing I don't like about GPT though is it pauses too much throughout tasks where the immediate plan and also the more outward plan are all extremely well defined already in agents.md, but it still pauses too much between tasks saying, next logical task is X, and I say yeah go ahead, instead of it just proceeding to the next task which Id rather it do. I suppose that is a preference that should be put in some document? (agents.md?)

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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It's funny how the false choice of American politics (Red vs Blue) also makes it into its consumerist corporatist life. That Anthropic's threadbare "limits" on government usage are seen as a heroic stand is a testament to just how far the goalposts on "ethical" deployment of AI have moved to the (fascist) right. As ever, politics precedes technology. We have Reagan's internet, we will have Trump's AI. God help us.

From prior thread is there even "limits"? I thought the Anthropic statements were pointed out to be mostly toothless PR, e.g. "we don't agree", etc.

Re: Claude struggles to cope with ChatGPT exodus

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you considered using Gemini? Google seems to be on a hot streak with their models, and, since they're playing from behind, I'd expect favorable pricing and terms. But, I don't know anyone who is using or talking about Gemini. All the chatter seems to be Anthropic vs. OpenAI.

because gemini, despite what stats say, still produces garbage once the problem gets harder. it nails it for lab conditions, but messy reality or creativity or even code quality is a far cry from opus or the latest gpt5.4 by a long shot. and always has been. its pretty good inside the GSuite because of integrations, but standalone its near worthless compared to even grok-code-fast which doesn't think much at all (but…

Gemini schools the other two when doing code reviews.

I used to think tokens are a commodity, but it’s becoming clear that the jagged frontier is different enough even for the easiest use case of SWE that there’s room for having two if not three providers of different foundational models. It isn’t a winner takes all, they’re all winning together. Cursor isn’t properly taking advantage of the situation yet.

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