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Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage

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Re: Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage

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I'm trying to work out if I should buy a 48GB M4 Pro Mac Mini now, or wait for M5 Pro ones later this year. For AI/ML purposes, mostly. As far as I can tell, the new M5 MacBooks didn't go up much or any for the same amount of RAM?

I don't expect the ram situation to get any better soon if that's what you're asking.

Re: Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage

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post #10

I'm trying to work out if I should buy a 48GB M4 Pro Mac Mini now, or wait for M5 Pro ones later this year. For AI/ML purposes, mostly. As far as I can tell, the new M5 MacBooks didn't go up much or any for the same amount of RAM?

Depends what kind of AI/ML purposes you are intending to work on

Re: Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage

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Apple recently introduced rdma support in mac os. They are probably trying to push those people buying the 512gb configuration towards buying more of the 256gb configuration and clustering them together.

Weren't 512GB models selling like hot cakes to the complete surprise of Apple? Wait time was up to 3 months last time I checked. Glad I got mine last October.

“Like hot cakes” is relative.

> The 512GB Mac Studio was not a mass-market machine—adding that much RAM also required springing for the most expensive M3 Ultra model, which brought the system’s price to a whopping $9,499.

Number of people willing the number of people willing to spend $10,000 on a computer is pretty tiny. Maybe they are common enough in HN circles, but I doubt any one at Apple is losing sleep over them.

Re: Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage

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post #10

I'm trying to work out if I should buy a 48GB M4 Pro Mac Mini now, or wait for M5 Pro ones later this year. For AI/ML purposes, mostly. As far as I can tell, the new M5 MacBooks didn't go up much or any for the same amount of RAM?

At this point is the performance advantage of Apple CPUs even worth it if you can't upgrade the ram itself? I'm thinking you might be better off building a PC and putting the absolute bare minimum RAM in it, with plans to swap that out with good stuff in a year or two once the RAM market stops being insane.

Re: Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage

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post #10

I'm trying to work out if I should buy a 48GB M4 Pro Mac Mini now, or wait for M5 Pro ones later this year. For AI/ML purposes, mostly. As far as I can tell, the new M5 MacBooks didn't go up much or any for the same amount of RAM?

At this point is the performance advantage of Apple CPUs even worth it if you can't upgrade the ram itself? I'm thinking you might be better off building a PC and putting the absolute bare minimum RAM in it, with plans to swap that out with good stuff in a year or two once the RAM market stops being insane.

are we sure the RAM market will stop being insane in a year or two or could this be the new norm?

Re: Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage

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post #10

I'm trying to work out if I should buy a 48GB M4 Pro Mac Mini now, or wait for M5 Pro ones later this year. For AI/ML purposes, mostly. As far as I can tell, the new M5 MacBooks didn't go up much or any for the same amount of RAM?

At this point is the performance advantage of Apple CPUs even worth it if you can't upgrade the ram itself? I'm thinking you might be better off building a PC and putting the absolute bare minimum RAM in it, with plans to swap that out with good stuff in a year or two once the RAM market stops being insane.

It's the RAM bandwidth that's the advantage, 300GB/s for M5 Pro. RAM in slots is way slower, ~50GB/s.

Re: Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage

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I was just looking to buy a Raspberry Pi 5: the 8GB one is now 58% more expensive than last year; that's more than what I'm willing to pay.

What will you do? eBay?

Maybe if I can find an unused one, still not sure tbh... Or I might go for an alternative SBC from AliExpress and compromise on CPU

Re: Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage

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post #10

I'm trying to work out if I should buy a 48GB M4 Pro Mac Mini now, or wait for M5 Pro ones later this year. For AI/ML purposes, mostly. As far as I can tell, the new M5 MacBooks didn't go up much or any for the same amount of RAM?

At this point is the performance advantage of Apple CPUs even worth it if you can't upgrade the ram itself? I'm thinking you might be better off building a PC and putting the absolute bare minimum RAM in it, with plans to swap that out with good stuff in a year or two once the RAM market stops being insane.

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Re: Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point is the performance advantage of Apple CPUs even worth it if you can't upgrade the ram itself? I'm thinking you might be better off building a PC and putting the absolute bare minimum RAM in it, with plans to swap that out with good stuff in a year or two once the RAM market stops being insane.

It's the RAM bandwidth that's the advantage, 300GB/s for M5 Pro. RAM in slots is way slower, ~50GB/s.

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Re: Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point is the performance advantage of Apple CPUs even worth it if you can't upgrade the ram itself? I'm thinking you might be better off building a PC and putting the absolute bare minimum RAM in it, with plans to swap that out with good stuff in a year or two once the RAM market stops being insane.

are we sure the RAM market will stop being insane in a year or two or could this be the new norm?

Why should it be the new norm? We have an abnormal situation now, of massive amounts of investor money being poured into unprofitable bets, that this time had the side effect of eating up hardware components. There are two possible outcomes:

1. Yes, it's the new normal, then production capacity will be increased and prices fall.

2. No, it's not the new normal, the bubble pops and component prices come crashing down when buyers default etc.

Option 2 has been the normal outcome of these situations so far. But sure, questions remains how long all of this will take.

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