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Iranian Women Graduate in Stem 3× the Rate of U.S. Women and Has 5× More PhDs

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Re: Iranian Women Graduate in Stem 3× the Rate of U.S. Women and Has 5× More PhDs

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Post by lostmsu »

7e wrote: post #8

This is a pro-Communist, anti-Israel propaganda site which publishes articles such as, “Report: North Korea Is Now Beating America in Healthcare, Education, Housing, and Transportation” etc. For the record, it’s often the case that women to into STEM in countries like Iran and Russia because they are denied opportunity elsewhere.

Learning that in Iran jurisprudence is limited for women, I agree on Iran. But will nitpick on Russia. What do you think is denied for women in Russia that is not denied in US/EU?

Re: Iranian Women Graduate in Stem 3× the Rate of U.S. Women and Has 5× More PhDs

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Post by BirAdam »

kulahan wrote: post #10
redwood wrote: post #6

Once liberated this economy is going to roar

If you think the US has an interest in either Iran OR Iraq being dominant in the region without, at BEST, being completely subservient to the US, you may want to review how you think this will turn out.

s/US/Israel/g

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Post by monkaiju »

7e wrote: post #8

This is a pro-Communist, anti-Israel propaganda site which publishes articles such as, “Report: North Korea Is Now Beating America in Healthcare, Education, Housing, and Transportation” etc. For the record, it’s often the case that women to into STEM in countries like Iran and Russia because they are denied opportunity elsewhere.

have a link for that claim?

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Post by lurkercodemnky »

gruez wrote: post #5

>Data showing Iranian women outperforming American women in STEM by a factor of nearly three doesn’t support that case, so it doesn’t get reported. I thought the standard explanation for this was that in patriarchal societies women get "hard" degrees because that's their only way out of being oppressed as a housewife, and in more egalitarian societies women pursue what they like?

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Post by echelon »

lurkercodemnky wrote: post #14
gruez wrote: post #5

>Data showing Iranian women outperforming American women in STEM by a factor of nearly three doesn’t support that case, so it doesn’t get reported. I thought the standard explanation for this was that in patriarchal societies women get "hard" degrees because that's their only way out of being oppressed as a housewife, and in more egalitarian societies women pursue what they like?

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Can't people decide for themselves what matters?

Life is a short few trips around the sun, then eternal annihilation.

If you really want to ascribe "value" to it: prosperity tends to create chill attitudes. You see this in individuals (nepotism) and in societies. It's just evolutionary economics: genes, ideas, species spend in times of plenty, save in times of drought.

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Post by Detrytus »

elcritch wrote: post #7
gruez wrote: post #5

>Data showing Iranian women outperforming American women in STEM by a factor of nearly three doesn’t support that case, so it doesn’t get reported. I thought the standard explanation for this was that in patriarchal societies women get "hard" degrees because that's their only way out of being oppressed as a housewife, and in more egalitarian societies women pursue what they like?

Not sure its a standard explanation, but i recall reading a couple of research articles about that topic.

I think it is kind of a paradox which is clearly visible in some progressive Scandinavian countries like Sweden or Denmark.

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Post by csomar »

This is not limited to Iran. Many Islamic countries have very high female participation in STEM because these degrees grant women greater freedoms. Iran (and most Muslim countries) is not Afghanistan; women do have a certain degree of freedom, and in some countries it's considerable.

Another point about STEM: families are more likely to accept, and even encourage, their women to go abroad and study. This is strictly STEM-specific: something like music or cinema wouldn't be accepted and would be social suicide. In my opinion, this is the very reason women push so hard in STEM in these countries.

It's still worth noting that the Iranian government isn't against its people or women pursuing higher education. They definitely encourage it (it's free!). They just want their people to align with their ideals and contribute to their goals.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

lurkercodemnky wrote: post #14
gruez wrote: post #5

>Data showing Iranian women outperforming American women in STEM by a factor of nearly three doesn’t support that case, so it doesn’t get reported. I thought the standard explanation for this was that in patriarchal societies women get "hard" degrees because that's their only way out of being oppressed as a housewife, and in more egalitarian societies women pursue what they like?

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> maybe you shouldn't be lecturing "patriarchal backward societies"?

It's perfectly fair to criticize modern Iran. Particularly when it comes to mis-allocating its skilled population and history.

Look at it from the perspective of fitness: if Iran had let these women study and work freely, and had invested its resources in growing its economy instead of a dud of a nuclear programme, might it–not Israel–be the region's hegemon?

> That's why developing countries have many STEM graduates

Number of scientists and engineers per capita is directly propotional to GDP per capita [1].

[1] https://www.researchgate.net/figure/GDP-per-capita-vs-number...

Re: Iranian Women Graduate in Stem 3× the Rate of U.S. Women and Has 5× More PhDs

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Post by Izikiel43 »

kulahan wrote: post #10
redwood wrote: post #6

Once liberated this economy is going to roar

If you think the US has an interest in either Iran OR Iraq being dominant in the region without, at BEST, being completely subservient to the US, you may want to review how you think this will turn out.

What he said and what you say do not contradict each other.

Iran can be a puppet of the USA and have a great economy as well.

Re: Iranian Women Graduate in Stem 3× the Rate of U.S. Women and Has 5× More PhDs

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Post by Detrytus »

7e wrote: post #8

This is a pro-Communist, anti-Israel propaganda site which publishes articles such as, “Report: North Korea Is Now Beating America in Healthcare, Education, Housing, and Transportation” etc. For the record, it’s often the case that women to into STEM in countries like Iran and Russia because they are denied opportunity elsewhere.

Well, to be honest most countries in the world beat America in healthcare and transportation, and to lesser degree in education and housing. US are a third world country with big army, that’s it.
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