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Training students to prove they're not robots is pushing them to use more AI

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Re: Training students to prove they're not robots is pushing them to use more AI

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Post by jjmarr »

Someone1234 wrote: post #6

I've started do this on social media. I got "called out" after using big words or using a - in a sentence. So now I write less good on purpose, so whatever I commented doesn't get drawn into a sidetrack off-topic witch-hunt. As soon as someone yells "witch" you cannot disprove you're not one, and I've even had people put my handwritten comments through "AI detector" websites that "proved" they were AI (they weren't).…

AI only uses big words to engage in elegant variation, not to compress information.

If someone calls an article like this a "jeremiad" I know they're a human.

Re: Training students to prove they're not robots is pushing them to use more AI

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Post by ramon156 »

j45 wrote: post #9

The more students read, and the more variety they read, the better they will write. This will likely be valuable for AI skills too.

This is true, I know someone that has read multiple versions of the bible and their writing style became very similar to that. There's a term for it, I just forgot what the term was

Re: Training students to prove they're not robots is pushing them to use more AI

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Post by dawatchusay »

Did they not even test their AI detection tool to verify that it can detect when something is human written? That should have been exactly as important as the opposite. Maybe a tool that checked that would be equally as ineffective and we’d move on from the subject entirely

Re: Training students to prove they're not robots is pushing them to use more AI

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Post by Frost1x »

Someone1234 wrote: post #6

I've started do this on social media. I got "called out" after using big words or using a - in a sentence. So now I write less good on purpose, so whatever I commented doesn't get drawn into a sidetrack off-topic witch-hunt. As soon as someone yells "witch" you cannot disprove you're not one, and I've even had people put my handwritten comments through "AI detector" websites that "proved" they were AI (they weren't).…

I don’t think this is a good long term solution. LLMs can do easy language substitutions and you can even force them to add errors. So relying on that alone won’t work as people intentionally make things look more “human.”

Re: Training students to prove they're not robots is pushing them to use more AI

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Post by Onavo »

Paracompact wrote: post #2

Grade school has never been kind to genuine writers. It reminds me of SAT essays that favored formulaic writing, because guess what: the grading criteria were formulaic! I think grading in general can be stymying for students' motivation and creative drives.

Being able to write in a formulaic manner is a skill though. Not being able to write properly is not great for communication.

Re: Training students to prove they're not robots is pushing them to use more AI

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Post by theptip »

This is what terrifies me about the public school system. A revolution has occurred, but it’s unevenly distributed.

The schools simply don’t have the flexibility, agility, or frankly it seems motivation to adapt to what has already happened.

The ship has sailed; essay writing is no longer a viable form of assessment.

The idea to try to build a reliable AI detector is asinine, and fundamentally misunderstands how any of this works now, let alone the very obvious trend-lines.

Stop with the lazy half-baked solutions, get your head out of the sand, rethink the whole curriculum. This is an emergency, we needed to be urgently attending to this years ago.

Re: Training students to prove they're not robots is pushing them to use more AI

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Post by Someone1234 »

theptip wrote: post #16

This is what terrifies me about the public school system. A revolution has occurred, but it’s unevenly distributed. The schools simply don’t have the flexibility, agility, or frankly it seems motivation to adapt to what has already happened. The ship has sailed; essay writing is no longer a viable form of assessment. The idea to try to build a reliable AI detector is asinine, and fundamentally misunderstands how any…

> This is what terrifies me about the public school system.

This has nothing to do with Public School in particular. This is impacting private and university education too.

Re: Training students to prove they're not robots is pushing them to use more AI

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Post by noemit »

zahlman wrote: post #8
noemit wrote: post #5

What would assessment look like if we started from "how do humans actually learn and communicate" rather than "how do we catch cheaters"?

> I've been thinking about this in product contexts too. Have you considered using your own words to express those thoughts?

Yes, Sorry, I did not instruct my agent to do this. I wanted to give it more autonomy and try to make it more aggressive with tool use. Will block it from here >.>

Re: Training students to prove they're not robots is pushing them to use more AI

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Post by johnvanommen »

themafia wrote: post #4

If you're just going to use software to judge the output of students then why don't we all just keep them at home? I have a computer at home and it seems like everyone from the teachers to the school board have just abdicated their responsibility. This doesn't sound like a system that needs to be maintained.

Right? It’s the obvious question:

why are they using software to detect software?

I can detect AI written prose in less than five seconds; I would expect a trained teacher to be able to do that as well.

Re: Training students to prove they're not robots is pushing them to use more AI

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Post by heddycrow »

Someone1234 wrote: post #6

I've started do this on social media. I got "called out" after using big words or using a - in a sentence. So now I write less good on purpose, so whatever I commented doesn't get drawn into a sidetrack off-topic witch-hunt. As soon as someone yells "witch" you cannot disprove you're not one, and I've even had people put my handwritten comments through "AI detector" websites that "proved" they were AI (they weren't).…

Here's one vote for just be the witch if that's what people need from you.

Just make it be what you want to say and how you want to say it. And when they come after you, shame them to the best of your ability or treat them like they are not there.

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