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Re-creating the complex cuisine of prehistoric Europeans

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Re: Re-creating the complex cuisine of prehistoric Europeans

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Or Europeans before potatoes.

I heard turnips used to be all the rage.

Although it should be noted that modern turnip varieties are significantly more flavorful and sweet than pre-Columbian exchange era turnips. The old varieties were usually very bland so it didn’t take much for another tuber to displace it.

Re: Re-creating the complex cuisine of prehistoric Europeans

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The paper on which the article is based:

González Carretero L, Lucquin A, Robson HK, McLaughlin TR, Dolbunova E, Lundy J, et al. (2026) Selective culinary uses of plant foods by Northern and Eastern European hunter-gatherer-fishers. PLoS One 21(3): e0342740.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...

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Article is mainly about the Baltics, but I always wondered what Italians ate before tomatoes came from the Americas.

Honestly I find the impact of the Columbian exchange on cuisine of the old world overblown. Tomatoes potatoes and corn a sure are great, but you can do without them. Italian cuisine was different but most of the modern elements were in place. I'd say the role of tomatoes in Italian cooking isn't as big as people make it out to be. On the other hand it's almost impossible to imagine what food was like in the Americas…

Depends on the area. German speaking areas and Eastern Europe do use lots of potato. Even the collagial name for German is potato

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Article is mainly about the Baltics, but I always wondered what Italians ate before tomatoes came from the Americas.

If you’re interested in what ancient romans ate, that seems well documented. Bread, olives (and olive oil), cheese, meat, fish, fruit, nuts, wine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_in_ancient_Rome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apicius

I keep hoping I'll be able to get my hands on some silphium to see what it's like.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly I find the impact of the Columbian exchange on cuisine of the old world overblown. Tomatoes potatoes and corn a sure are great, but you can do without them. Italian cuisine was different but most of the modern elements were in place. I'd say the role of tomatoes in Italian cooking isn't as big as people make it out to be. On the other hand it's almost impossible to imagine what food was like in the Americas…

Depends on the area. German speaking areas and Eastern Europe do use lots of potato. Even the collagial name for German is potato

I'm Austrian myself. There's plenty of potato dumplings etc., but they're just variants of other flour/cheese based dumplings. Potatoes are important but certainly not indispensable.

Compare that to pork for instance. Remove that and you've removed like 50% of Austrian cuisine.

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From the referenced research paper:

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...

> The combined application of microscopy techniques and lipid residue analysis to the study of foodcrusts from HGF [hunter-gatherer-fisher] pottery vessels has proved a successful approach ...

In academic research, what happens with unsuccessful approaches? I'm sure, like people in other fields, at some point you pull the plug and 'unsuccessful' is really defined as, 'stopped without success'. At some point the startup goes bankrupt, funders give up, the talent leaves, etc. ...

Research is by definition about breaking new ground, so you can't really know what you'll get. But what kind of risk is accepted and for how long? And who are the decision-makers - the researcher (of course), but also the talent? The institution? Funders? Also, at what point does it damage your reputation to continue?

One professor I know told me 'I submitted a title and abstract to this conference, and now I need to figure out how I'm going to do the research'. Maybe with enough experience, you have a good feel for it.

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Article is mainly about the Baltics, but I always wondered what Italians ate before tomatoes came from the Americas.

Honestly I find the impact of the Columbian exchange on cuisine of the old world overblown. Tomatoes potatoes and corn a sure are great, but you can do without them. Italian cuisine was different but most of the modern elements were in place. I'd say the role of tomatoes in Italian cooking isn't as big as people make it out to be. On the other hand it's almost impossible to imagine what food was like in the Americas…

> no dairy

They couldn't find one mammal from which to obtain milk? It's a pretty obvious thing to try, for obvious reasons.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly I find the impact of the Columbian exchange on cuisine of the old world overblown. Tomatoes potatoes and corn a sure are great, but you can do without them. Italian cuisine was different but most of the modern elements were in place. I'd say the role of tomatoes in Italian cooking isn't as big as people make it out to be. On the other hand it's almost impossible to imagine what food was like in the Americas…

> no dairy They couldn't find one mammal from which to obtain milk? It's a pretty obvious thing to try, for obvious reasons.

The vast majority of the human population is lactose intolerant, both historically and today. Genetically intolerant populations in South and Central Asia have microbiotic help with their dairy-heavy diets, but for people who didn't spend thousands of years developing a culture around it, dairy is just a quick road to an upset stomach and/or food poisoning.

Re: Re-creating the complex cuisine of prehistoric Europeans

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Article is mainly about the Baltics, but I always wondered what Italians ate before tomatoes came from the Americas.

Honestly I find the impact of the Columbian exchange on cuisine of the old world overblown. Tomatoes potatoes and corn a sure are great, but you can do without them. Italian cuisine was different but most of the modern elements were in place. I'd say the role of tomatoes in Italian cooking isn't as big as people make it out to be. On the other hand it's almost impossible to imagine what food was like in the Americas…

One of the most praised recent restaurants in the United States is based on an attempt to reconstruct pre-Colombian cuisine from the Americas: https://owamni.com/, https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/09/19/how-owamni-bec....
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