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TSA leaves passenger needing surgery after illegally forcing her through scanner

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Re: TSA leaves passenger needing surgery after illegally forcing her through scanner

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The plantiff was coerced through the scanner by immensely incorrectly trained TSA operators. Had she done as you suggested, ignored the agents orders, and just walked through security she surely would have been, at least, trespassed if not outright detained, fined, and worse.

Re: TSA leaves passenger needing surgery after illegally forcing her through scanner

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Like other post-9/11 things like DHS and ICE, we need to abolish TSA since it doesn't actually keep anyone safe, and actively harms people.

So just get rid of TSA and have no security? They find hundreds of guns in carry on baggage every year, but that should be no big deal right? They didn't force this person through the scanner, they could have asked for a supervisor and discussed the situation. Don't trust the people at the bottom of any organization if you have a concern.

You do know there was airport security before the TSA took over, right?

Re: TSA leaves passenger needing surgery after illegally forcing her through scanner

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I’ve been in a film photography sub on Reddit lately and the TSA comes up frequently. They can’t even follow their own rules on film, telling people it has to be scanned (it doesn’t), scanning is safe up 3800 ISO (that’s not a speed), etc.

I’m not surprised they can’t get something important right.

What if someone had to fly for necessary medical treatment? What if the device had been something even more important, like a pacemaker or artificial heart like Cheney had?

Re: TSA leaves passenger needing surgery after illegally forcing her through scanner

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Like other post-9/11 things like DHS and ICE, we need to abolish TSA since it doesn't actually keep anyone safe, and actively harms people.

So just get rid of TSA and have no security? They find hundreds of guns in carry on baggage every year, but that should be no big deal right? They didn't force this person through the scanner, they could have asked for a supervisor and discussed the situation. Don't trust the people at the bottom of any organization if you have a concern.

>They didn't force this person through the scanner

"Despite the woman's request for a pat-down search, a TSA agent told her that her only option was to pass through the AIT device."

>they could have asked for a supervisor and discussed the situation

"Before passing through the device, the plaintiff spoke to another officer, trying to explain the situation, but was told that the AIT machine had been “adjusted” so that it would not damage her spinal cord implant."

Re: TSA leaves passenger needing surgery after illegally forcing her through scanner

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Like other post-9/11 things like DHS and ICE, we need to abolish TSA since it doesn't actually keep anyone safe, and actively harms people.

I do think there's an advantage to third-party security, but they need to be properly trained -- airline-managed security has perverse incentives because of their profit motive.

Re: TSA leaves passenger needing surgery after illegally forcing her through scanner

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Like other post-9/11 things like DHS and ICE, we need to abolish TSA since it doesn't actually keep anyone safe, and actively harms people.

So just get rid of TSA and have no security? They find hundreds of guns in carry on baggage every year, but that should be no big deal right? They didn't force this person through the scanner, they could have asked for a supervisor and discussed the situation. Don't trust the people at the bottom of any organization if you have a concern.

Studies seem to indicate that for every gun they find, they miss at least two more.

Re: TSA leaves passenger needing surgery after illegally forcing her through scanner

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Like other post-9/11 things like DHS and ICE, we need to abolish TSA since it doesn't actually keep anyone safe, and actively harms people.

So just get rid of TSA and have no security? They find hundreds of guns in carry on baggage every year, but that should be no big deal right? They didn't force this person through the scanner, they could have asked for a supervisor and discussed the situation. Don't trust the people at the bottom of any organization if you have a concern.

> They find hundreds of guns in carry on baggage every year…

They don't exactly have a great track record in that regard.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/investigation-breaches-...

"In all, so-called "Red Teams" of Homeland Security agents posing as passengers were able get weapons past TSA agents in 67 out of 70 tests — a 95 percent failure rate, according to agency officials."

(Don't worry, though. They fixed it... by classifing the reports. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/noem-dhs-watchdog-feuding-over-...)

Re: TSA leaves passenger needing surgery after illegally forcing her through scanner

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Like other post-9/11 things like DHS and ICE, we need to abolish TSA since it doesn't actually keep anyone safe, and actively harms people.

So just get rid of TSA and have no security? They find hundreds of guns in carry on baggage every year, but that should be no big deal right? They didn't force this person through the scanner, they could have asked for a supervisor and discussed the situation. Don't trust the people at the bottom of any organization if you have a concern.

They miss more guns than they find.

They miss more knives than they find.*

They did, in fact, summon a supervisor, who lied to her.

*I am of the opinion that, since 9/11, passengers should be encouraged to have knives rather than discouraged. Knives won't get through the cockpit door; no one will open the cockpit doors for a hostage anymore.

Re: TSA leaves passenger needing surgery after illegally forcing her through scanner

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Like other post-9/11 things like DHS and ICE, we need to abolish TSA since it doesn't actually keep anyone safe, and actively harms people.

It's sad that this is getting down voted. What have we become.

There's been a slow shift here over the past decade, from

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"

to

"If you don't agree with what I think a nanny state should be doing you're a terrible person"

What I wonder is if this is brought on by a demographic shift or a viewpoint shift among the same demographic.

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