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Why can't you tune your guitar? (2019)

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Re: Why can't you tune your guitar? (2019)

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Can you elaborate? Just to make your comment less of a useless knee-jerk reaction but rather a discussion started for someone else.

Generous of you to assume that someone who walks in, sees something somebody else has written and immediately calls it shit... Has something of value to say.

If they did, why did they hold it back just to speak so contemptuously of a subject that is actually interesting and reasonably well explained?

Re: Why can't you tune your guitar? (2019)

#14
Actually is not a guitar problem, but all 12-TET tuned instruments have this, it is just a side effect of harmonic math. In the guitar case it is not only the tuning that counts, also the material the string are made and the diameter of the strings count to the final frequency, and we are using parallel frets so applying the same distance to different strings. There are guitars with not parallel frets that try to compensate for the diameter variation. But that’s all math and understanding, cause when you tune your guitar and just play you are in another world were "thought is the killer of flow"; so just play and enjoy the sound. :D

Re: Why can't you tune your guitar? (2019)

#15
Fixed it: “Why can’t you tune your poorly made guitar?”

The most guitars today are still made in the style of the 1950s Gibsons and Fenders, including the neck and tuner layout. Most guitar buyers focus on the aesthetic and not the quality. I switched to a headless guitar where the tuners are at the bridge and it has a fanned fretboard giving the strings more natural tensions, the thing stays in tune and is intonated at the frets extremely well.

Re: Why can't you tune your guitar? (2019)

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post #5

Absurd. A guitar within tolerance is in tune. It's a fundamental feature of the instrument. Not a flaw. Music doesn't live in an abstract realm of perfections, it is an expression however formed. The fact that we can measure it is one thing. But the music or instruments do not need conform to discrete measurements to satisfy. I know engineers hate this, but ask any musician. It's like arguing that a sitar and its sca…

> Music doesn't live in an abstract realm of perfections

I agree with this in spirit, but there are practical ramifications of getting the frequency domain wrong. The human brain is very particular in this space. Even for completely untrained listeners. It's nothing like the human visual system. You're working on timescales measured in microseconds with auditory signals. Even where the instruments are physically positioned on stage is significant. Getting their pitch slightly wrong can be catastrophic.

Re: Why can't you tune your guitar? (2019)

#17
post #9

> If thirds and fifths are so out of tune in 12-TET, why do we use it? The advantage is that all the thirds and fifths in all the keys are out of tune by the same amount. None of them sound perfect, but none of them sound terrible, either. Can't we have a system that is optimized for the notes that are actually played in a song rather than the hypothetical set? And what if the optimization is done per small group of…

That's how it works when you sing! But if you have an instrument you need to tune it would be annoying if you had to retune it between every song.

Re: Why can't you tune your guitar? (2019)

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post #9

> If thirds and fifths are so out of tune in 12-TET, why do we use it? The advantage is that all the thirds and fifths in all the keys are out of tune by the same amount. None of them sound perfect, but none of them sound terrible, either. Can't we have a system that is optimized for the notes that are actually played in a song rather than the hypothetical set? And what if the optimization is done per small group of…

I think you can only be "perfectly" in tune for a single mode so a multi-modal song would become very difficult to play?

Re: Why can't you tune your guitar? (2019)

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post #9

> If thirds and fifths are so out of tune in 12-TET, why do we use it? The advantage is that all the thirds and fifths in all the keys are out of tune by the same amount. None of them sound perfect, but none of them sound terrible, either. Can't we have a system that is optimized for the notes that are actually played in a song rather than the hypothetical set? And what if the optimization is done per small group of…

You can with instruments without fixed pitches, like human voice and string instruments, in fact choirs and string quartets do play this way, adjusting each note.

But for instruments with fixed pitches, like guitar or pianos,12 equal temperament is the best compromise to be able to play in all keys.

Re: Why can't you tune your guitar? (2019)

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post #9

> If thirds and fifths are so out of tune in 12-TET, why do we use it? The advantage is that all the thirds and fifths in all the keys are out of tune by the same amount. None of them sound perfect, but none of them sound terrible, either. Can't we have a system that is optimized for the notes that are actually played in a song rather than the hypothetical set? And what if the optimization is done per small group of…

> Can't we have a system that is optimized for the notes that are actually played in a song rather than the hypothetical set? And what if the optimization is done per note rather than over an entire song?

You can. It’s called adaptive tuning, or dynamic just intonation, and it happens naturally for singers with no accompanying instruments.

It’s impractical on a real instrument, but there’s a commercial synthesiser implementation called hermode tuning.

You’re trading one problem for another, though. No matter how you do this, you will either have occasional mis-tuning or else your notes will drift.

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