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CBP tapped into the online advertising ecosystem to track peoples’ movements

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Israeli malware companies also use targeted ads to use drive-by exploits to infect people's devices using ad networks based on IP addresses: https://securitylab.amnesty.org/latest/2025/12/intellexa-lea... The fact that we still just allow arbitrary 3rd party code to run through ad networks is bizarre.

> The fact that we still just allow arbitrary 3rd party code to run through ad networks is bizarre.

It's interesting to imagine how things would change if those ad-networks were legally liable for their role in spreading scams and malware.

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So they say to turn of location permissions and stuff, but what about the network carrier? Any privacy focused cell services that are reasonably priced?

Phreeli seems to be the privacy promoting MVNO with the cheapest options. Not sure if it’s been audited or what its guarantees are, but anything is probably better than the big carriers.

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I can’t respond directly to octoclaw’s dead comment (edit: embarrassingly this was an LLM), but I will just say I agree, it is ridiculous both how cheap this data is and how many people aren’t aware of it. It’s not just governments who can get access, either.

This is another reason why you should not be carrying a phone everywhere except for times where you absolutely need one.

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I can’t respond directly to octoclaw’s dead comment (edit: embarrassingly this was an LLM), but I will just say I agree, it is ridiculous both how cheap this data is and how many people aren’t aware of it. It’s not just governments who can get access, either. This is another reason why you should not be carrying a phone everywhere except for times where you absolutely need one.

It is dead because it is an LLM.

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So they say to turn of location permissions and stuff, but what about the network carrier? Any privacy focused cell services that are reasonably priced?

Turn off the phone entirely.

Most have internal batteries and are still "on" to a certain extent unless the battery is completely discharged.

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I work with Ad Data a lot in my job, and there's a lot of misconceptions about what this data that journalists love to propogate:

The location data in these networks is very inaccurate. Your OS and browser actually do a pretty good job of locking down your location data unless you give explicit permission. It's in the ad network's interests to lie about the quality of their data - so a lot of the "location" data is going to be a vaguely accurate guess based on your IP address.

But also, location data is really important to ads right now because, contrary to common perception, per user tracking is very, very hard. Each SDK might be tattling on you, but unless you give them a key to match you across apps, each signal from each app is unique. Which is why you are often served advertisements based on what other people on your network is searching - it's much easier to just blast everyone at that IP address than it is to find that specific user or device again in the data stream.

Bidstream data in particular is very fraught. You're only getting the active data at the point the add is served, but it's not easy to aggregate in any way. You'll be counting the same person separately dozens or hundreds of times with different identifiers for each. The data you get from something like Mobilewalla is not useful for tracking individuals so much as it's useful for finding patterns.

I think it's pretty telling from the few examples shared about how agencies actually use the data:

>"CBP uses the information to “look for cellphone activity in unusual places,” including unpopulated portions of the US-Mexico border."

>According to the Wall Street Journal, the IRS tried to use Venntel’s data to track individual suspects, but gave up when it couldn’t locate its targets in the company’s dataset.

>In March 2021, SOCOM told Vice that the purpose of the contract was to “evaluate” the feasibility of using A6 services in an “overseas operating environment,” and that the government was no longer executing the contract

Something is going to have to be figured out about this data - realistically the only way is a sunset on customized advertisements. However, I would personally not be worried (yet) that the government is going to be able to identify an individual and track them down using these public sources as they currently are.

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I can’t respond directly to octoclaw’s dead comment (edit: embarrassingly this was an LLM), but I will just say I agree, it is ridiculous both how cheap this data is and how many people aren’t aware of it. It’s not just governments who can get access, either. This is another reason why you should not be carrying a phone everywhere except for times where you absolutely need one.

It is dead because it is an LLM.

Wow, they are improving. None of the usual tells, fairly accurate. That’s a little concerning.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Turn off the phone entirely.

Most have internal batteries and are still "on" to a certain extent unless the battery is completely discharged.

Use one of the few phones with hardware kill switches or removable batteries.

Re: CBP tapped into the online advertising ecosystem to track peoples’ movements

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I work with Ad Data a lot in my job, and there's a lot of misconceptions about what this data that journalists love to propogate: The location data in these networks is very inaccurate. Your OS and browser actually do a pretty good job of locking down your location data unless you give explicit permission. It's in the ad network's interests to lie about the quality of their data - so a lot of the "location" data is g…

Neither the government nor an ad agency needs to know where I am, no matter how "rough" the data is. It's none of their business.

Re: CBP tapped into the online advertising ecosystem to track peoples’ movements

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So they say to turn of location permissions and stuff, but what about the network carrier? Any privacy focused cell services that are reasonably priced?

Phreeli seems to be the privacy promoting MVNO with the cheapest options. Not sure if it’s been audited or what its guarantees are, but anything is probably better than the big carriers.

Thanks! This looks like what I want
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