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Patent troll claims it invented the Windows 8 and Windows Phone “tiles”

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Re: Patent troll claims it invented the Windows 8 and Windows Phone “tiles”

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I am glad that a patent troll has directly attacked one of the software giants. Now hopefully Microsoft with its deep pockets and legal team can crush this troll.

Microsoft lose in such cases surprisingly often. Smart Tags in Office, onclick activation of plugins in IE...

Yup. Fuck, they lost their right to use "Metro" to describe their now "Modern-UI style." MASSIVE fuck up in my opinion. Microsoft should have raided the coffers to protect using that term.

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Is it possible to sue a patent troll for time and legal fees if you win the original case? I know they are basically shell corporations, but it would be great to see these patent cases incurring some risk for the trolls.

What is the risk to a company whose only asset is the patent which, should they fail to win their case, is probably useless anyway?

Re: Patent troll claims it invented the Windows 8 and Windows Phone “tiles”

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post #7

I am glad that a patent troll has directly attacked one of the software giants. Now hopefully Microsoft with its deep pockets and legal team can crush this troll.

It doesn't actually do much good to "crush" this company, right? They started this company around one set of patents. They can start other companies for other patents. The act of incorporating shields them from losing much in the case of having to cover legal costs for the defendant.

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post #8

Is it possible to sue a patent troll for time and legal fees if you win the original case? I know they are basically shell corporations, but it would be great to see these patent cases incurring some risk for the trolls.

Absolutely.

http://www.flhlaw.com/pubs/xprPubDetail.aspx?xpST=PubDetail&...

"Under Section 285 of the Patent statute, courts have discretion to award reasonable attorneys’ fees in patent infringement cases that are deemed “exceptional.” 35 U.S.C. § 285. The Federal Circuit noted that while the threat of enhanced damages for willful infringement under 35 U.S.C. § 284 deters bad faith conduct on the part of the accused infringer, the threat of attorneys’ fees under Section 285 is “the only deterrent to the equally improper bringing of clearly unwarranted suits on invalid or unenforceable patents.” Mathis v. Spears, 857 F.2d 749, 754 (Fed. Cir. 1988). Section 285 provides:

    The court in exceptional cases may award reasonable attorneys’
    fees to the prevailing party.  35 U.S.C. § 285."

Re: Patent troll claims it invented the Windows 8 and Windows Phone “tiles”

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post #7

I am glad that a patent troll has directly attacked one of the software giants. Now hopefully Microsoft with its deep pockets and legal team can crush this troll.

Microsoft lose in such cases surprisingly often. Smart Tags in Office, onclick activation of plugins in IE...

And wasn't click activation of plugins the change they had to make to avoid the Eolas patent on automatic execution of embedded content (going back to the 90s here)?

Re: Patent troll claims it invented the Windows 8 and Windows Phone “tiles”

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I know there has been a spat of these recently, but I always think about Robert Kearns and his lifelong battle against Ford for his intermittent windshield wiper patent.

As much as we hate patent trolls, once and a while, there is an exception to rule which proves us all wrong.

Re: Patent troll claims it invented the Windows 8 and Windows Phone “tiles”

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post #5

There was a piece of DOS software in the late 80's called HyperPad which had tiles and used them to display status and launch applications. I can't find a single screenshot of it though unfortunately. I'm sure that is probably slightly "more prior" art.

http://www.atarimagazines.com/compute/issue115/406-1.jpg

Re: Patent troll claims it invented the Windows 8 and Windows Phone “tiles”

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post #7

I am glad that a patent troll has directly attacked one of the software giants. Now hopefully Microsoft with its deep pockets and legal team can crush this troll.

Microsoft lose in such cases surprisingly often. Smart Tags in Office, onclick activation of plugins in IE...

The Smart Tags lawsuit had some merit to it. They adopted the idea only after it was shown to them, and they refused to license it.

The Eolas case was BS though. The patent was based on rewording the description of existing technology. If memory serves me correctly. Microsofts own OCX technology was prior art for the concept. Eolas claimed that by applying their concept to the web, it was novel and non-obvious.

Re: Patent troll claims it invented the Windows 8 and Windows Phone “tiles”

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I think we all agree that software patents just gotta go (specially the ones regarding UI). The real question is how to make that happen. Perhaps having a big player like Microsoft targeted by a troll will help.

They have been targeted many times, and paid quite some millions (billions?) over the years [1] [2]. The thing is, the big players like Microsoft all have large patent portfolios and are using them to keep up the oligopoly, they have no interest in abolishing the system.

[1] http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2009/10/company-that-won-...

[2] http://www.inquisitr.com/112717/microsoft-loses-i4i-patent-l...

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