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We automated everything except knowing what's going on

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Re: We automated everything except knowing what's going on

#11
The whole point of AI is that we don't have to think anymore. Knowing what's going on is the AI's job.

Not saying that's how it should be, that's just the world I predict in the not too distant future.

I love thinking, but most people I know seem to experience it as a form of physical pain.

Re: We automated everything except knowing what's going on

#13
This person has never worked with several decades old government, bank or tax (return) code where all that's ever done is edge cases and implementations of new laws and capabilities being forever bolted on to each other. Systems that were half migrated from a PL/I / Cobol mess to java 7 by Accenture, until the money ran out with the result being that both systems now exist forever and have to be integrated into each other for years. In the end you have decades old code bases maintained by people with less than 10 years of total work tenure, who will leave for greener pastures soon. No one to ask but some old grumpy grey beard with a royal salary who barely does any work but has some ancient wisdom to share.

No one understanding what's going on inside of complex systems in financially constrained environments built and maintained by average, at best, engineers is the norm and is what keeps the world running.

None of that is a symptom of AI. The only change AI brings is that even first person developers don't know anymore what the fuck they just deployed.

Re: We automated everything except knowing what's going on

#15
post #6

I keep seeing the canard that "Anyone with an idea and access to an AI agent can ship a product. What used to take a team of twenty and six months now takes one person and a weekend. That's not hype. It's happening right now, everywhere, all at once." But I don't see it. Where is this glut of software?

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Re: We automated everything except knowing what's going on

#16
post #6

I keep seeing the canard that "Anyone with an idea and access to an AI agent can ship a product. What used to take a team of twenty and six months now takes one person and a weekend. That's not hype. It's happening right now, everywhere, all at once." But I don't see it. Where is this glut of software?

I am mainly seeing across a lot of my engineer friends and mentor who I respect deeply. They are using swarms of agents to build crms, small business and run their homelabs.

Where are these small businesses and startups? The software economy should be booming, right? I’m not seeing it.

Re: We automated everything except knowing what's going on

#17
Honestly, the post itself reads very generated, very rage bate. I have so much more faith in us and our hobby/industry than this blog post.

There are reports of industries trying to use these tools to generate as much as possible, sure. There are also people generating bad art and unpleasant prose and using llms to generate nonsense they don’t pay attention to.

I don’t see why that implies that you or I lost interest in tinkering with toys we build. If I want to spend 4 weeks understanding oauth a little better by implementing a client, I still can and I still do.

Automating our builds absolutely didn’t create a cathedral of complexity while nobody noticed. It did mean I can open an Free Software project, read the build file and understand how to build the thing. That’s the opposite of generating complexity.

I worry about our future generations as much as the next person, but this low effort pabulum doesn’t represent the thoughtful industry and hobby that I love.

Re: We automated everything except knowing what's going on

#18
post #2

"The future belongs to whoever understands what they just shipped." Perfect summary. It's like we invented a world where you can finally, _finally_ speedrun an enormous legacy codebase and all patted ourselves on the back like that was a good thing.

I like that. These AIs are legacy codebase generators. Nobody knows how it works and everyone is afraid to touch it.

Anything in production is legacy; I'm pretty sure it happens as soon as the code is shipped regardless of who wrote it.

Re: We automated everything except knowing what's going on

#20
post #6

I keep seeing the canard that "Anyone with an idea and access to an AI agent can ship a product. What used to take a team of twenty and six months now takes one person and a weekend. That's not hype. It's happening right now, everywhere, all at once." But I don't see it. Where is this glut of software?

It is not true. Speaking from experience: family member tried this and they couldn't get past a landing page.

I suppose if one is simultaneously ignorant when it comes to software and an expert at agentic workflow, then yeah sure, maybe--at the cost of how many tokens, though? But logically it seems that the former would preclude the latter.

Also, the "get it done in a weekend" seems to be a gross exaggeration.

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