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MinIO Is Dead, Long Live MinIO

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Re: MinIO Is Dead, Long Live MinIO

#12
There are 3 new commits, and the only actually fixes are: Go update and revert to earlier version of console.

But there are a bunch of changes to docs, CI workflows and issue templates. Which is what is the easy part of managing a fork, and I've seen a bunch of forks that ended up only updating readme-s, CI, etc.

I'll have more faith in the fork when the maintainers do actual fixes.

Re: MinIO Is Dead, Long Live MinIO

#13
post #10

Seems like a very balanced take on forking Minio. I don't have high hopes for the future Minio, but as mentioned it is more or less feature complete, good enough for most use-cases. I was searching for a fairly simple replacement for s3 for testing. I'd been using Minio for a while now, and simply ended up implementing my own on top of Postgres. Fun intersection given the post. (Note, I know it isn't optimal, but as…

I've been using garage without issue

Re: MinIO Is Dead, Long Live MinIO

#14
post #12

There are 3 new commits, and the only actually fixes are: Go update and revert to earlier version of console. But there are a bunch of changes to docs, CI workflows and issue templates. Which is what is the easy part of managing a fork, and I've seen a bunch of forks that ended up only updating readme-s, CI, etc. I'll have more faith in the fork when the maintainers do actual fixes.

Although, to be fair, getting too aggressive off the bat would be concerning. A clean fork that is bit for bit compatible with the last open source version is definitely an attractive proposition from a software supply chain perspective.

Re: MinIO Is Dead, Long Live MinIO

#15
Wish the effort well. I has plans to self host s3 with minio that took some time to actually get around to and when I did they had done the enterprise rug pull. I do think one maintainer may be able to pull it off with AI assistance if the scope is limited to security bug fixes. Minio is one of the nastiest rug pulls I can think of.

Re: MinIO Is Dead, Long Live MinIO

#16
It’s nice to see people taking this on, but for a project like this I’d prefer to wait and see if the maintenance continues.

This blog post is extremely heavy on LLM written content, which isn’t a promising early sign

> Normally this is where the story ends — a collective sigh, and everyone moves on.

> But I want to tell a different story. Not an obituary — a resurrection.

I’ve seen several announcements of forked open source projects from people who thought that maintaining a fork is easy now that they can have an LLM do all the work. Then their interest trails off when they encounter problems the AI can’t handle for them or the community tires of doing all of the testing and code review for a maintainer who just wants to prompt the LLM and put their name on the project. When someone can’t even write their own announcement without an LLM it’s not an encouraging sign.

Re: MinIO Is Dead, Long Live MinIO

#17
post #6

I am wondering if Minio Inc has rewritten the software in a clean room. Otherwise wouldn't they need to publish the source anyways? Since it is AGPL anyone might potentially be interacting with the software. Do they do that?

The copyright for Minio consists of: - Code written by the Minio team, which they have full ownership of and can relicense as they wish - Code written by third party contributors, where Minio required the contributors to provide Minio a BSD license to use the contributions but only published it to other people under AGPL. So the AGPL doesn't bind Minio themselves because of their licensing policy. (Which is why while…

Was going to mention the CLA. Each time you sign a CLA you're doing free work. Never do that. Keep and maintain your patches locally instead.

Re: MinIO Is Dead, Long Live MinIO

#18
post #6

I am wondering if Minio Inc has rewritten the software in a clean room. Otherwise wouldn't they need to publish the source anyways? Since it is AGPL anyone might potentially be interacting with the software. Do they do that?

The copyright for Minio consists of: - Code written by the Minio team, which they have full ownership of and can relicense as they wish - Code written by third party contributors, where Minio required the contributors to provide Minio a BSD license to use the contributions but only published it to other people under AGPL. So the AGPL doesn't bind Minio themselves because of their licensing policy. (Which is why while…

Question , can MinIO the company assert AGPL copyright against the fork - i see in the writeup they mentioned trademarks as far as the fork is concerned.

Whats the situation for a AGPL fork , were one to use it can the company assert rights like they did to Nutanix.

Re: MinIO Is Dead, Long Live MinIO

#19
post #4

How could the company behind minio not seeing this coming?

Seeing what coming ? They pivoted into storage for AI, lone maintainer is not threat to their business model

Still, I would probably abandon the name for trademark enforcement reasons. It's low hanging fruit for them if they want to kill you.

(this is also why the Pentium was called the Pentium instead of the numbers that processors used to be called.. and why the gameboy copyright text was embedded into the ROMs)

Re: MinIO Is Dead, Long Live MinIO

#20
post #2

I very much appreciate the sentiment, and wish him well. However, one guy maintaining a fork as a side project from his core work is not very promising. He seems to believe AI will help lessen the burden. I hope he's able to find other maintainers. Best luck!

To be fair, most open source is like that.

The most famous one I can think of right now is xz.

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