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Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build

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Re: Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build

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Post by chuckadams »

bmurphy1976 wrote: post #3

I tried to use podman desktop for a bit but I ran into some screwy compatibility issues. It just wasn't as smooth as docker. I really really want an alternative to docker desktop. I don't like the path they're going down. I don't like the AI crap in the UI. The licensing is crazy. It just doesn't feel right. So I've been lately using rancher by SuSE. Surprisingly, it's been all right. So far it just works. I'm using…

OrbStack is a very compelling alternative on macOS. The GUI launches instantly due to being a Swift app and not Electron. Container filesystems are visible in Finder. You can spin up full-blown VMs with it (only Linux ones though). Storage is managed dynamically, so you don't have to reserve or resize the virtual disk. Free for personal use, with zero nags or upsells.

Re: Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build

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Post by moltar »

chuckadams wrote: post #11
bmurphy1976 wrote: post #3

I tried to use podman desktop for a bit but I ran into some screwy compatibility issues. It just wasn't as smooth as docker. I really really want an alternative to docker desktop. I don't like the path they're going down. I don't like the AI crap in the UI. The licensing is crazy. It just doesn't feel right. So I've been lately using rancher by SuSE. Surprisingly, it's been all right. So far it just works. I'm using…

OrbStack is a very compelling alternative on macOS. The GUI launches instantly due to being a Swift app and not Electron. Container filesystems are visible in Finder. You can spin up full-blown VMs with it (only Linux ones though). Storage is managed dynamically, so you don't have to reserve or resize the virtual disk. Free for personal use, with zero nags or upsells.

Orb is definitely the winner. It’s fast. It does the job well. Never had an issue with it in two years.

Re: Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build

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Post by ch1234 »

chuckadams wrote: post #11
bmurphy1976 wrote: post #3

I tried to use podman desktop for a bit but I ran into some screwy compatibility issues. It just wasn't as smooth as docker. I really really want an alternative to docker desktop. I don't like the path they're going down. I don't like the AI crap in the UI. The licensing is crazy. It just doesn't feel right. So I've been lately using rancher by SuSE. Surprisingly, it's been all right. So far it just works. I'm using…

OrbStack is a very compelling alternative on macOS. The GUI launches instantly due to being a Swift app and not Electron. Container filesystems are visible in Finder. You can spin up full-blown VMs with it (only Linux ones though). Storage is managed dynamically, so you don't have to reserve or resize the virtual disk. Free for personal use, with zero nags or upsells.

How are you deploying? I’m on dokploy so I’m not sure of compatibility

Re: Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build

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Post by chuckadams »

ch1234 wrote: post #13
chuckadams wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OrbStack is a very compelling alternative on macOS. The GUI launches instantly due to being a Swift app and not Electron. Container filesystems are visible in Finder. You can spin up full-blown VMs with it (only Linux ones though). Storage is managed dynamically, so you don't have to reserve or resize the virtual disk. Free for personal use, with zero nags or upsells.

How are you deploying? I’m on dokploy so I’m not sure of compatibility

I use good old `docker compose`. It's 100% compatible, since it uses the same moby engine underneath. I've also run k3d on it, so I'm pretty sure it'll handle anything you throw at it.

Re: Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build

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Post by trueismywork »

bmurphy1976 wrote: post #3

I tried to use podman desktop for a bit but I ran into some screwy compatibility issues. It just wasn't as smooth as docker. I really really want an alternative to docker desktop. I don't like the path they're going down. I don't like the AI crap in the UI. The licensing is crazy. It just doesn't feel right. So I've been lately using rancher by SuSE. Surprisingly, it's been all right. So far it just works. I'm using…

Sorrt for may be a complete ignorant question but whats the use case of docker desktop as opposed docker cli

Re: Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build

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Post by pratio »

chuckadams wrote: post #11
bmurphy1976 wrote: post #3

I tried to use podman desktop for a bit but I ran into some screwy compatibility issues. It just wasn't as smooth as docker. I really really want an alternative to docker desktop. I don't like the path they're going down. I don't like the AI crap in the UI. The licensing is crazy. It just doesn't feel right. So I've been lately using rancher by SuSE. Surprisingly, it's been all right. So far it just works. I'm using…

OrbStack is a very compelling alternative on macOS. The GUI launches instantly due to being a Swift app and not Electron. Container filesystems are visible in Finder. You can spin up full-blown VMs with it (only Linux ones though). Storage is managed dynamically, so you don't have to reserve or resize the virtual disk. Free for personal use, with zero nags or upsells.

I can attest, Orbstack has been a gamechanger. Happily paying for the pro license.

Re: Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build

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Post by amluto »

cdrage wrote: post #5
bmurphy1976 wrote: post #3

I tried to use podman desktop for a bit but I ran into some screwy compatibility issues. It just wasn't as smooth as docker. I really really want an alternative to docker desktop. I don't like the path they're going down. I don't like the AI crap in the UI. The licensing is crazy. It just doesn't feel right. So I've been lately using rancher by SuSE. Surprisingly, it's been all right. So far it just works. I'm using…

What sort of compatibility issues were you encountering? (disclaimer: I'm on the Podman Desktop team) If it was compose + docker compatibility issues, that's on the roadmap for improvement :). Compose support is flakey at times (it's essentially a wrapper around the open source binary https://github.com/docker/compose )

I’ve encountered this one:

https://github.com/containers/buildah/issues/6460

Also, there’s Podman’s decision to drop CNI support. Sure, I get that they want to support the full stack, but netavark is really not especially capable, and CNI allows all kinds of interesting (and frequently overcomplicated) things.

Re: Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build

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Post by amluto »

mrbluecoat wrote: post #6
bmurphy1976 wrote: post #3

I tried to use podman desktop for a bit but I ran into some screwy compatibility issues. It just wasn't as smooth as docker. I really really want an alternative to docker desktop. I don't like the path they're going down. I don't like the AI crap in the UI. The licensing is crazy. It just doesn't feel right. So I've been lately using rancher by SuSE. Surprisingly, it's been all right. So far it just works. I'm using…

I also like that Rancher Desktop supports nerdctl. Colima is another similar project.

I imagine that OrbStack has containerd buried inside somewhere and could support ctr and (awkwardly) nerdctl, but if so it’s pretty well hidden.

Re: Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build

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Post by zitterbewegung »

bmurphy1976 wrote: post #3

I tried to use podman desktop for a bit but I ran into some screwy compatibility issues. It just wasn't as smooth as docker. I really really want an alternative to docker desktop. I don't like the path they're going down. I don't like the AI crap in the UI. The licensing is crazy. It just doesn't feel right. So I've been lately using rancher by SuSE. Surprisingly, it's been all right. So far it just works. I'm using…

I love rancher too and I have less issues of docker using all of my local disk. Learned about it at a local Python meetup.

Re: Red Hat takes on Docker Desktop with its enterprise Podman Desktop build

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Post by dns_snek »

trueismywork wrote: post #15
bmurphy1976 wrote: post #3

I tried to use podman desktop for a bit but I ran into some screwy compatibility issues. It just wasn't as smooth as docker. I really really want an alternative to docker desktop. I don't like the path they're going down. I don't like the AI crap in the UI. The licensing is crazy. It just doesn't feel right. So I've been lately using rancher by SuSE. Surprisingly, it's been all right. So far it just works. I'm using…

Sorrt for may be a complete ignorant question but whats the use case of docker desktop as opposed docker cli

Docker Engine (the "CLI") only works on Linux. "Desktop" is supposed to offer a unified experience across platforms, it offers a GUI, ships Docker Engine inside a virtual machine so that it works on Windows and MacOS, and tries to make the VM as transparent/invisible as possible (with varying success) with filesystem mounts and network configuration.
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