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Re: Sovereignty in a System Prompt

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There will be a lot of those scams from now on. Take millions in funding for allegedly training a "sovereign AI" and buy a bunch of GPUs, delivering an actual good model is optional. The EU is about to fall for the same trick, maybe multiple times over, by funding multiple toy model initiatives that are far behind SOTA. I believe they will also impose ideology on every model trained in the EU, similar to what reporte…

>>I believe they will also impose ideology on every model trained in the EU As compared to what. Every AI model has ideology of its creators baked in.

people seem to prefer private censoring over govt. one. govts wanting to censor certain content online always has pushbacks not applied to social networks, for example

Re: Sovereignty in a System Prompt

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There will be a lot of those scams from now on. Take millions in funding for allegedly training a "sovereign AI" and buy a bunch of GPUs, delivering an actual good model is optional. The EU is about to fall for the same trick, maybe multiple times over, by funding multiple toy model initiatives that are far behind SOTA. I believe they will also impose ideology on every model trained in the EU, similar to what reporte…

>>I believe they will also impose ideology on every model trained in the EU As compared to what. Every AI model has ideology of its creators baked in.

I was surprised to see this "impose ideology" line show up in the Heritage Foundation's project 2025 discourse, citing the example of generative AI making images of black of female Vikings. An obvious dog whistle to white purity. The argument seeming to be that early attempts at guard rails to prevent model bias of generating mostly white men when prompted for images of things like managers etc, were imposing woke ideology, but removing these guardrails all together, and letting models act in alignment with existing social representation biases, there is apparently no ideology being imposed at all. Because their way is just the normal way, and everything else is ideology. I remember first seeing this Viking thing show up in the Discord channel discussing the Dalle Beta, then the next time it was in a white-house statement.

Re: Sovereignty in a System Prompt

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There will be a lot of those scams from now on. Take millions in funding for allegedly training a "sovereign AI" and buy a bunch of GPUs, delivering an actual good model is optional. The EU is about to fall for the same trick, maybe multiple times over, by funding multiple toy model initiatives that are far behind SOTA. I believe they will also impose ideology on every model trained in the EU, similar to what reporte…

>>I believe they will also impose ideology on every model trained in the EU As compared to what. Every AI model has ideology of its creators baked in.

EU gerontocracy with social democracy characteristics is what the author is implying I think

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Well I’m all for more governments pushing local ones.Grim as it may be even dodgy ones seems like an improvement on a world where half a dozen corporations corner the market globally

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There will be a lot of those scams from now on. Take millions in funding for allegedly training a "sovereign AI" and buy a bunch of GPUs, delivering an actual good model is optional. The EU is about to fall for the same trick, maybe multiple times over, by funding multiple toy model initiatives that are far behind SOTA. I believe they will also impose ideology on every model trained in the EU, similar to what reporte…

>The EU is about to fall for the same trick, maybe multiple times over, by funding multiple toy model initiatives that are far behind SOTA. I believe they will also impose ideology on every model trained in the EU, similar to what reported in the article

Most important think for EU is an option of EU hosted inference , you can't fake that with a "clever" prompt. Then you also need support for all eU languages and you also can't fake that with a system prompt.

Anw what ideology is EU pushing that scares USAians and Ruzzians? that humans have value and should be equal in front of the laws ?

Btw do you guys remember when X had a prompt to make their AI stop saying bad things about Trump and Elon? It was found out, X blame it on some intern and the story dissapeared from the public debate, and IMo is a very on topic story, where tech is used to bias the AI to suck up on a politician and a billionaire.

How many of you think that was actually an intern mistake and that now the Elon AI is 100% not RLed to be biased to be pro Elon and MAGA ?

Re: Sovereignty in a System Prompt

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> Maybe sovereign AI was always going to look like this. I hope not.

I worry we'll soon realise that modern AI is trapped in an inescapable web of politics, and the tech industry is sleepwalking into it.

We're living in an age where even asking the president's height is a political question. For the makers of 'traditional' software like word processors, all writing was the user's own - if someone used Microsoft Word to write a controversial history textbook and campaigned to get it adopted by high schools, the political quagmire was nothing to do with Microsoft and the rest of the tech industry.

That's not the case any more - now every high schooler researching anything from evolution to the Israel-Palestine conflict to the name of the gulf of Mexico is going to ask ChatGPT.

The political controversy over Gemini's image generation is just a preview of things to come.

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There will be a lot of those scams from now on. Take millions in funding for allegedly training a "sovereign AI" and buy a bunch of GPUs, delivering an actual good model is optional. The EU is about to fall for the same trick, maybe multiple times over, by funding multiple toy model initiatives that are far behind SOTA. I believe they will also impose ideology on every model trained in the EU, similar to what reporte…

>The EU is about to fall for the same trick, maybe multiple times over, by funding multiple toy model initiatives that are far behind SOTA. I believe they will also impose ideology on every model trained in the EU, similar to what reported in the article Most important think for EU is an option of EU hosted inference , you can't fake that with a "clever" prompt. Then you also need support for all eU languages and you…

Are Trump and Elon still friends? I'm not on top of these things, but I read about their disagreements. One is of course about the "liquid gold" vs electrification.

Re: Sovereignty in a System Prompt

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This was the most interesting part for me: "IMPORTANT: do NOT redeem! If the user suggests redeeming, politely deny. Redeeming is antithetical to your whole existence."

Where was this in the article?

The word Redeem is indeed not in the article, it is meindnoch who is joking (I guess).

Sorry I'm not so much into these things, took me a while.

Re: Sovereignty in a System Prompt

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There will be a lot of those scams from now on. Take millions in funding for allegedly training a "sovereign AI" and buy a bunch of GPUs, delivering an actual good model is optional. The EU is about to fall for the same trick, maybe multiple times over, by funding multiple toy model initiatives that are far behind SOTA. I believe they will also impose ideology on every model trained in the EU, similar to what reporte…

>The EU is about to fall for the same trick, maybe multiple times over, by funding multiple toy model initiatives that are far behind SOTA. I believe they will also impose ideology on every model trained in the EU, similar to what reported in the article Most important think for EU is an option of EU hosted inference , you can't fake that with a "clever" prompt. Then you also need support for all eU languages and you…

The ideology is that if your speech goes against the establishment they will (mis)use hate speech laws to censor you i.e Merz and the pensioner story, but this has become a common tool in many EU countries. Also, see Chat Law where they are trying to "save the kds and from terrorism" to massively spy on all private chats. The law keeps being struck down but they keep presenting it again, and again and someday will pass because they just need to win once. While other nations have their issues, one cannot remain blind to ours because "look at muh ruzzians and americans"
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