Good for India, as it should, for far too long there was a brain drain from India > US.
India needs more entrepreneurs.
Silicon Valley can't import talent like before. So it's exporting jobs
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Re: Silicon Valley can't import talent like before. So it's exporting jobs
#12Well yeah. I went to a world-class research university in Latam. The brightest kids were making using of internships to Google, Microsoft and Meta a couple years before graduating and by then they already had a career path laid out for them in the Bay Area.
I'm sure a bunch of companies took advantage of the H1-B program, but without a doubt it took most of the best talent too.
Re: Silicon Valley can't import talent like before. So it's exporting jobs
#13> If tech talent can’t come to the U.S., American companies will go where the talent is.
LOL! They're going to send the jobs where the wages are cheaper, and that's exactly what they're doing.
IIRC, my employer stopped offering new H1-B sponsorships in most cases, after they opened an office in India (10+ years ago). They didn't open the office because they had a hard time hiring in the US. They opened it because they wanted to pay developers $10k/year instead of $100k a year.
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I love how this is always framed as a "pipeline and talent" problem issue (its not), when it's really a "pipeline and talent at salaries I want to pay" issue.
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Yeah, we know.
I wish guys like you could just be honest and admit its really just about trying to save on labor costs rather than trying to frame this issue like there's some massive lack of skilled domestic engineering talent here.
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#15For the first time I've been hearing "this job is only available for US citizens and permanent residents" in recruiter reachouts, and these are for jobs that don't need anything like a security clearance. It's surprising because a TN status (my current status) is trivially easy to get.
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Yeah, we know. I wish guys like you could just be honest and admit its really just about trying to save on labor costs rather than trying to frame this issue like there's some massive lack of skilled domestic engineering talent here.
It is talent though.
You can't write a performant Linux runtime agent such as what Wiz did without knowing eBPF, which requires also understanding Linux internals, which requires an OS background.
Why should I spend $150k training someone who has no experience from scratch for 1 year? A lot of table stakes curricula has been made optional.
Re: Silicon Valley can't import talent like before. So it's exporting jobs
#17Good for India, as it should, for far too long there was a brain drain from India > US. India needs more entrepreneurs.
In narrow terms this is bad for Indian entrepreneurs since it drives up engineering costs for them. It's good for Indian tech employees though since they can demand higher compensation.
In broad terms it's good for the Indian tech ecosystem (and the economy in general).
Re: Silicon Valley can't import talent like before. So it's exporting jobs
#18Well yeah. I went to a world-class research university in Latam. The brightest kids were making using of internships to Google, Microsoft and Meta a couple years before graduating and by then they already had a career path laid out for them in the Bay Area. I'm sure a bunch of companies took advantage of the H1-B program, but without a doubt it took most of the best talent too.
It's bifurcated. Big Tech used it to increase the labor pool local to their existing development centers. The consultancies used it to drive down unit costs.
Re: Silicon Valley can't import talent like before. So it's exporting jobs
#19> If tech talent can’t come to the U.S., American companies will go where the talent is. LOL! They're going to send the jobs where the wages are cheaper, and that's exactly what they're doing. IIRC, my employer stopped offering new H1-B sponsorships in most cases, after they opened an office in India (10+ years ago). They didn't open the office because they had a hard time hiring in the US. They opened it because the…
I'm in the cybersecurity space and we largely shifted hiring and funding to Tel Aviv.
Israeli [0] tech salaries are comparable to Atlanta [1] and Dallas [2], yet we get better talent across the board - less bootcamp grads and more people with a background in OS and algos.
[0] - https://www.levels.fyi/t/software-engineer/locations/israel
[1] - https://www.levels.fyi/t/software-engineer/locations/atlanta...
[2] - https://www.levels.fyi/t/software-engineer/locations/greater...
Re: Silicon Valley can't import talent like before. So it's exporting jobs
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Yeah, we know. I wish guys like you could just be honest and admit its really just about trying to save on labor costs rather than trying to frame this issue like there's some massive lack of skilled domestic engineering talent here.
It is talent though. You can't write a performant Linux runtime agent such as what Wiz did without knowing eBPF, which requires also understanding Linux internals, which requires an OS background. Why should I spend $150k training someone who has no experience from scratch for 1 year? A lot of table stakes curricula has been made optional.
There are plenty of non-juniors who meet all of your expectations, you just want to pay them less than market rate for their expertise.