Fairly important bit here at the end: > This project included independent charging performance tests on the energy storage devices supplied by the customer, which the customer identified as solid-state battery cells. > which the customer identified as solid-state battery cells.
why?
VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]
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#12Fairly important bit here at the end: > This project included independent charging performance tests on the energy storage devices supplied by the customer, which the customer identified as solid-state battery cells. > which the customer identified as solid-state battery cells.
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#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can take a look at the announcement video https://youtu.be/Y-aPS2AwMbc?si=RD4Ja8tJggLPgXGj
The pdf also has a picture of it where you could possibly reverse Engineer the dimensions based on the other things in the picture. Looks very flat like an iPad battery
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#14Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]
#15Apparently the first 3rd party test was on fast charging and the 3rd party is VTT, which is the government affiliated(owned?) "VTT Technical Research Centre of Finland" The people listed on this report appear to be on LinkedIn, so I guess it will be easy to confirm if the test document is authentic. The announcement of the test: https://youtu.be/d2QU_LpkSPs Hopefully, soon we will find out if this seemingly "too good…
> They also published the report here: https://pub-fee113bb711e441db5c353d2d31abbb3.r2.dev/VTT_CR_0... That's the same link. Is there a way to attest that this is an official VTT report?
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#16Would be nice if they added some more detail about the battery like dimensions and weight, or did I miss that part.
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#17Specs
26 Ah nominal capacity at 1C discharge rate
94 Wh nominal energy with 3.6V nominal voltage
Operates within 2.7V – 4.15V recommended range (max charging to 4.3V)
What was verified 5C charging (130A): 0-80% in ~9.5 minutes, 0-100% in ~13.5 minutes
11C charging (286A): 0-80% in ~4.9 minutes, 0-100% in ~7.3 minutes
Successfully delivered 98.4-99.6% of charged capacity even after extreme 11C charging
Thermal Management Tested with both one-sided and two-sided heat sinks to simulate real-world conditions
With dual heat sinks: Peak temps of 47°C (5C) and 63°C (11C) — well within safe limits
With single heat sink: Reached 61.5°C (5C) and up to 89°C (11C) — still functional but approaching thermal limit
Missing claims Energy density: No weight and volume was mentioned
Cycle life: VTT ran only 7 test cycles total.
Cost Claims: Nothing about cost is mentioned
Material Claims: No chemical analysis or materials analysis.
Extreme Temperature Performance: No cold weather testing. No high-temperature testing.
No abuse testing: No nail penetration, no overcharge, no short-circuit, no crush tests.
But according to the company website another report will drop next monday (March 2nd).Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]
#18Apparently the first 3rd party test was on fast charging and the 3rd party is VTT, which is the government affiliated(owned?) "VTT Technical Research Centre of Finland" The people listed on this report appear to be on LinkedIn, so I guess it will be easy to confirm if the test document is authentic. The announcement of the test: https://youtu.be/d2QU_LpkSPs Hopefully, soon we will find out if this seemingly "too good…
Actually, there are a bunch of other variables (energy density, stability, discharge current, etc. etc.), so the probability of a technology that improves one significantly without negatively affecting at least one other is vanishingly small. Hence the number of overhyped battery technologies that get reported but never productised.
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#19Apparently the first 3rd party test was on fast charging and the 3rd party is VTT, which is the government affiliated(owned?) "VTT Technical Research Centre of Finland" The people listed on this report appear to be on LinkedIn, so I guess it will be easy to confirm if the test document is authentic. The announcement of the test: https://youtu.be/d2QU_LpkSPs Hopefully, soon we will find out if this seemingly "too good…
I’ve been digging into the data (using Gemini and a few other sources). The claims behind https://idonutbelieve.com/ are pretty bold. I’d like to be optimistic, but I’m going to wait for more independent verification before drawing any conclusions.
VTT appear to be a solid institution, so we will find out soon I guess.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
> They also published the report here: https://pub-fee113bb711e441db5c353d2d31abbb3.r2.dev/VTT_CR_0... That's the same link. Is there a way to attest that this is an official VTT report?
The PDF is digitally signed with a cert from the Finnish „Digital and Population Data Services Agency“
VTT would be more like "National Institute of Scientific Research"