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VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

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Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

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post #7

Fairly important bit here at the end: > This project included independent charging performance tests on the energy storage devices supplied by the customer, which the customer identified as solid-state battery cells. > which the customer identified as solid-state battery cells.

why?

Because that's not independent verification that the device tested actually _is_ a solid state battery. Just that whatever was tested had certain charging characteristics.

Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

#12
post #7

Fairly important bit here at the end: > This project included independent charging performance tests on the energy storage devices supplied by the customer, which the customer identified as solid-state battery cells. > which the customer identified as solid-state battery cells.

It's almost like there an implied "wait for part 7 guys and remember to like and subscribe"

Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

#13
post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can take a look at the announcement video https://youtu.be/Y-aPS2AwMbc?si=RD4Ja8tJggLPgXGj

The pdf also has a picture of it where you could possibly reverse Engineer the dimensions based on the other things in the picture. Looks very flat like an iPad battery

As understand it the battery is 26 Ah and looks to be the size of my 20 mAh powerpack at home.

Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

#14
The massive amount of production-oriented research in solid state and semi solid state batteries indicates to me that this stuff is coming soon in a big way. I've been curious about buying an electric car recently, and if I buy one right now it would only be a used one, don't want to fully invest in something about to be obselete.

Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

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post #6
post #4

Apparently the first 3rd party test was on fast charging and the 3rd party is VTT, which is the government affiliated(owned?) "VTT Technical Research Centre of Finland" The people listed on this report appear to be on LinkedIn, so I guess it will be easy to confirm if the test document is authentic. The announcement of the test: https://youtu.be/d2QU_LpkSPs Hopefully, soon we will find out if this seemingly "too good…

> They also published the report here: https://pub-fee113bb711e441db5c353d2d31abbb3.r2.dev/VTT_CR_0... That's the same link. Is there a way to attest that this is an official VTT report?

The PDF is digitally signed with a cert from the Finnish „Digital and Population Data Services Agency“

Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

#16

Would be nice if they added some more detail about the battery like dimensions and weight, or did I miss that part.

That was previously announced and CES and was described as "can be any shape and any size and any voltage within a reason".

Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

#17
First report for Donut lab battery is out. Here is the TLDR

Specs

    26 Ah nominal capacity at 1C discharge rate

    94 Wh nominal energy with 3.6V nominal voltage

    Operates within 2.7V – 4.15V recommended range (max charging to 4.3V)
What was verified

    5C charging (130A): 0-80% in ~9.5 minutes, 0-100% in ~13.5 minutes

    11C charging (286A): 0-80% in ~4.9 minutes, 0-100% in ~7.3 minutes

    Successfully delivered 98.4-99.6% of charged capacity even after extreme 11C charging
Thermal Management

    Tested with both one-sided and two-sided heat sinks to simulate real-world conditions

    With dual heat sinks: Peak temps of 47°C (5C) and 63°C (11C) — well within safe limits

    With single heat sink: Reached 61.5°C (5C) and up to 89°C (11C) — still functional but approaching thermal limit
Missing claims

    Energy density: No weight and volume was mentioned

    Cycle life: VTT ran only 7 test cycles total.

    Cost Claims: Nothing about cost is mentioned

    Material Claims: No chemical analysis or materials analysis.

    Extreme Temperature Performance: No cold weather testing. No high-temperature testing.

    No abuse testing: No nail penetration, no overcharge, no short-circuit, no crush tests.
But according to the company website another report will drop next monday (March 2nd).

Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

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post #4

Apparently the first 3rd party test was on fast charging and the 3rd party is VTT, which is the government affiliated(owned?) "VTT Technical Research Centre of Finland" The people listed on this report appear to be on LinkedIn, so I guess it will be easy to confirm if the test document is authentic. The announcement of the test: https://youtu.be/d2QU_LpkSPs Hopefully, soon we will find out if this seemingly "too good…

Fast charging, long life, low cost – pick two.

Actually, there are a bunch of other variables (energy density, stability, discharge current, etc. etc.), so the probability of a technology that improves one significantly without negatively affecting at least one other is vanishingly small. Hence the number of overhyped battery technologies that get reported but never productised.

Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

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post #4

Apparently the first 3rd party test was on fast charging and the 3rd party is VTT, which is the government affiliated(owned?) "VTT Technical Research Centre of Finland" The people listed on this report appear to be on LinkedIn, so I guess it will be easy to confirm if the test document is authentic. The announcement of the test: https://youtu.be/d2QU_LpkSPs Hopefully, soon we will find out if this seemingly "too good…

I’ve been digging into the data (using Gemini and a few other sources). The claims behind https://idonutbelieve.com/ are pretty bold. I’d like to be optimistic, but I’m going to wait for more independent verification before drawing any conclusions.

I desperately want this to be real but LK-99 thought me to be skeptical of big announcements. AFAIK the Finnish media went brutal on them and science YouTubers reported some rumors about sketchy stuff but they seem to be rolling so far.

VTT appear to be a solid institution, so we will find out soon I guess.

Re: VTT Test Donut Lab Battery Reaches 80% Charge in Under 10 Minutes [pdf]

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post #15
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They also published the report here: https://pub-fee113bb711e441db5c353d2d31abbb3.r2.dev/VTT_CR_0... That's the same link. Is there a way to attest that this is an official VTT report?

The PDF is digitally signed with a cert from the Finnish „Digital and Population Data Services Agency“

Unfortunately that's not the same as VTT.

VTT would be more like "National Institute of Scientific Research"

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