This entire page seems incredibly cheaply machine generated, including the text and images. If you want to make a case for your product, you should at least make it look like some effort went into this.
The Internet Is Becoming a Dark Forest – and AI Is the Hunter
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#12If you want something a bit more "serious" on this, check out The Dark Forest Theory of the Internet by Bogna Konior. [0]
[0] https://www.politybooks.com/bookdetail?book_slug=the-dark-fo...
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#13For anyone not familiar with the concept of "dark forest": > […] In Liu Cixin's 2008 novel The Dark Forest, the author proposes a literary explanation for the Fermi paradox in which countless alien civilizations exist, but are both silent and paranoid, destroying any nascent lifeforms loud enough to make themselves known.[181] This is because any other intelligent life may represent a future threat. As a result, Liu'…
Fancy. Much more likely they just ruin their own environment and die. It has happened many times before, since the Great Oxygenation Event 2.4B years ago.
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#14For anyone not familiar with the concept of "dark forest": > […] In Liu Cixin's 2008 novel The Dark Forest, the author proposes a literary explanation for the Fermi paradox in which countless alien civilizations exist, but are both silent and paranoid, destroying any nascent lifeforms loud enough to make themselves known.[181] This is because any other intelligent life may represent a future threat. As a result, Liu'…
All the quotes miss the simplicity of 3 rules of Cosmology or whatever it was called in the trilogy.
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The essence of the Dark Forest theory:
1. Survival is the primary goal of any civilization.
2. Life expands to fill all available space, but resources are finite. Roughly speaking, like humans cutting down forests to expand cities without caring what happens to the ants living there — if expansion is needed, it’s done.
3. Progress is unstoppable. If one group hasn’t mastered fusion yet, they will say in a thousand years — and then they’ll come for the others because of points 1 and 2.
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The author builds the novel on the idea that we shouldn’t be sending signals into space, but rather stay quiet and avoid drawing attention. Because in his view, once one civilization detects a signal from another, the safest move is to eliminate it immediately — without taking the risk of finding out whether it’s friendly (for now) or already not.
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#15For anyone not familiar with the concept of "dark forest": > […] In Liu Cixin's 2008 novel The Dark Forest, the author proposes a literary explanation for the Fermi paradox in which countless alien civilizations exist, but are both silent and paranoid, destroying any nascent lifeforms loud enough to make themselves known.[181] This is because any other intelligent life may represent a future threat. As a result, Liu'…
This sort of low effort post, we can all recognize right?
Read the book series. Battle with a culture different than your own. The absolute depression by the third book helps you experience this more than this bullshit Cliff’s notes.
Spend a few hours. Jesus.
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#16This entire page is a sales pitch, but it doesn't really cover how things are hidden or how much that costs. How does it compare to tor hidden services?
The website is pure slop with an infinitely low information to noise ratio. Judging by their documentation[0] it's just access control for web servers, so the better question would be how it compares to TLS client auth (which uses proper standards, doesn't require users to install extra software, and doesn't require any extra daemons server-side)
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#17This entire page seems incredibly cheaply machine generated, including the text and images. If you want to make a case for your product, you should at least make it look like some effort went into this.
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#18For anyone not familiar with the concept of "dark forest": > […] In Liu Cixin's 2008 novel The Dark Forest, the author proposes a literary explanation for the Fermi paradox in which countless alien civilizations exist, but are both silent and paranoid, destroying any nascent lifeforms loud enough to make themselves known.[181] This is because any other intelligent life may represent a future threat. As a result, Liu'…
This sort of low effort post, we can all recognize right? Read the book series. Battle with a culture different than your own. The absolute depression by the third book helps you experience this more than this bullshit Cliff’s notes. Spend a few hours. Jesus.
And yes, Greg was 100% about grappling with the nuances. One of the smartest men I’ve known.
We had an awesome book club talking about historical sci-fi and modernity. He always saw the optimistic side, how humanity could conquer, but I, child of Amazon, could see the end-stage capitalism.
Makes for fantastic dialogue. Read the book series. It’s worth it!
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#19Not quite. Cixin Liu’s series had a premise of dramatic asymmetry. AI in our context is the inverse. Everyone can spend “credits” to get a supergenius coder.
There are still a major asymmetries.
There is an economic asymmetry between having a frontier model that people pay to use vs. being someone paying them so they can keep improving it.
Also, from the outside, we only know about the advances that get shipped/put on servers. Presumably, a lot more promising advances are uncovered than are shipped. Maybe they don't fit the product, maybe they are not ready, or maybe they provide a competitive advantage if used and improved internally without disclosure.
So there is a potential growing development/information/frontier asymmetry, of unknown magnitude and velocity.
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#20For anyone not familiar with the concept of "dark forest": > […] In Liu Cixin's 2008 novel The Dark Forest, the author proposes a literary explanation for the Fermi paradox in which countless alien civilizations exist, but are both silent and paranoid, destroying any nascent lifeforms loud enough to make themselves known.[181] This is because any other intelligent life may represent a future threat. As a result, Liu'…
This sort of low effort post, we can all recognize right? Read the book series. Battle with a culture different than your own. The absolute depression by the third book helps you experience this more than this bullshit Cliff’s notes. Spend a few hours. Jesus.
Are you expecting people will 'just' read the three books to get the context of "dark forest" and then come back to this post after that?