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KFC, Nando's, and others ditch chicken welfare pledge

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Re: KFC, Nando's, and others ditch chicken welfare pledge

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High streets are dying, pretty sure half the restaurants closest to me are either closed or going to close down soon. Coming back from Japan it was certainly a whiplash to find just a row of fried chicken shops and empty restaurants. It made me rethink how great of a signal GDP growth really is on how good things are economically.

The arithmetic mean is one of the great tools of statistical lies. You can sweep so much sample variance under the rug with this baby!

Re: KFC, Nando's, and others ditch chicken welfare pledge

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Interesting that the pledge is about fast growing vs normal growing chicken. Does the UK not have the overcrowded cage conditions we have here in the US? The complaint is about these companies not wanting to reduce their profit margins, but how slowly do the other chickens grow? Are we doubling maturity time or increasing it by 10%? Doubling would probably impact consumer prices beyond what could be absorbed by elimi…

> I wonder if I could distinguish in a blind taste test

I find it genuinely baffling that that would be the point.

Re: KFC, Nando's, and others ditch chicken welfare pledge

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it is not a big deal? Chicken goes through withdrawal period and level of residue is tested in end product, supposedly..

If you pump livestock (chicken, cows or pigs) full of antibiotics, surely they are going to piss/crap a lot of it into the environment, hastening antibiotic resistance.

but it will be localized farm environment only..

Its just question of risk/benefit ratio, benefit is clear: cheap meat, because producers will be less impacted by deceases. Risks are not so clear in this case.

Re: KFC, Nando's, and others ditch chicken welfare pledge

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High streets are dying, pretty sure half the restaurants closest to me are either closed or going to close down soon. Coming back from Japan it was certainly a whiplash to find just a row of fried chicken shops and empty restaurants. It made me rethink how great of a signal GDP growth really is on how good things are economically.

It really bothers me that something like 10% of US GDP is just the amount we over-pay for healthcare compared to peer states. It's basically a privatized tax that buys us nothing (or, to stave off pedantry, certainly nothing remotely worth 10% of our GDP) but we count it as something good.

I worry sometimes about just how much of our GDP is actually fake productivity like that (see also: the significant multiple more that we pay for most infrastructure compared with peer states). It would help explain why a lot of "poorer" countries reportedly don't feel poorer to live in, for a normal family, than the US.

Re: KFC, Nando's, and others ditch chicken welfare pledge

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Well this is probably why KFC chicken has become inedible. I don't know what they are doing to those things but they are practically a different species at this point. I love fast food and eat it all the time, but KFC "chicken" is just a disgusting grey slimey pile of garbage.

Re: KFC, Nando's, and others ditch chicken welfare pledge

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Well this is probably why KFC chicken has become inedible. I don't know what they are doing to those things but they are practically a different species at this point. I love fast food and eat it all the time, but KFC "chicken" is just a disgusting grey slimey pile of garbage.

has it ever not been inedible?

Re: KFC, Nando's, and others ditch chicken welfare pledge

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you pump livestock (chicken, cows or pigs) full of antibiotics, surely they are going to piss/crap a lot of it into the environment, hastening antibiotic resistance.

but it will be localized farm environment only.. Its just question of risk/benefit ratio, benefit is clear: cheap meat, because producers will be less impacted by deceases. Risks are not so clear in this case.

It doesn't stay localized; runoff from farmland is a major issue. In other words, the farm animal poops out a bunch of antiobiotics, then it rains and that poop ends up washing into the river/lake/water table. That's already something that happens with situations like E. coli contamination. Things that happen on the farm don't stay on the farm.

Re: KFC, Nando's, and others ditch chicken welfare pledge

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I recently had a discussion with my wife and we check our bank records to find out how long it's been since we've been to a KFC, McDonalds or Burger King. Apparently it's been 16 months now. It's overpriced, unhealthy and American. Enough reasons to not go.

As an American I also have not gone to any of those restaurants.

The thing is, America is the China of food[0]: we make shittons of unsafe, dangerous product and foist it onto the market by burying the market's pricing mechanism under a mountain of garbage until nobody else can compete and we dictate the price.

People will note that China makes plenty of safe, normal products too. The same applies to American agriculture, but that doesn't matter. The problem is mainly that the industry has absolutely no standards. If they can go a few cents cheaper, they will.

[0] And, prior to this century, we were also China in general - a lot of our manufacturing was stolen from Britain and ran for far cheaper.

Re: KFC, Nando's, and others ditch chicken welfare pledge

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High streets are dying, pretty sure half the restaurants closest to me are either closed or going to close down soon. Coming back from Japan it was certainly a whiplash to find just a row of fried chicken shops and empty restaurants. It made me rethink how great of a signal GDP growth really is on how good things are economically.

It really bothers me that something like 10% of US GDP is just the amount we over-pay for healthcare compared to peer states. It's basically a privatized tax that buys us nothing (or, to stave off pedantry, certainly nothing remotely worth 10% of our GDP) but we count it as something good . I worry sometimes about just how much of our GDP is actually fake productivity like that (see also: the significant multiple mor…

GDP is a useless metric when so much of it basically wash trading.

It's always been a dodgy metric and susceptible to gaming. But now that money is less and less connected to useful value, it's almost a sick joke.

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