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AI optimism is a class privilege

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Re: AI optimism is a class privilege

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I would say it is privilege (now) combined with denialism (for the future). Not only do you have to believe that you're in the group that benefits, but you also have to believe that "AI" improvement from here forward will stall out prior to the point where it goes from assisting your job to replacing it wholesale. I suspect there are many less people for whom that applies to them than there are people who believe it…

Most of the logic of this post will be incoherent in a world where AI has replaced software jobs wholesale. You have to pick a lane. Is it so effective that it (and the labor market more broadly) needs to be aggressively regulated, or it not very useful for anything but trolling? It can't be both.

Re: AI optimism is a class privilege

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> You’d need to be high enough in the org chart; far enough up the pyramid; advanced enough along the career ladder.

> To be an AI optimist, I’m guessing you must not be worried about where your next job might come from, or whether you can even find one. The current dire state of the job market, I have to assume, doesn’t scare you. You must feel secure.

So I think even these people should not feel secure. The perceived value of expertise is decreased by AI which routinely claims to have PhD level mastery of a lot of material. I think even for people with deep experience, in the current job market, many firms are reluctant to hire or pay in a way that's commensurate with that expertise. If you're a leader whose clout in an organization is partly tied to how many people are under you in an org-chart (it's dumb but we have all seen it), maybe that will begin to shrink quarter after quarter. Unless you can make it genuinely obvious that a junior or mid-tier person could not write a prompt which cause a model to spew the knowledge or insight that you have won through years or decades of work, your job may become vulnerable.

I think the class divide that is most relevant is more literal and old-school:

- Do you _own_ enough of businesses that that's how you get most of your income? If so, maybe there's a way that AI will either cause your labor costs decrease, or your productivity per worker increases, and either way you're probably happy.

- Can you invest specifically in the firms that are actively building AI, or applications thereof?

We're back to owners vs workers, with the added dynamic that if AI lets you partially replace labor with capital, then owners of course take a bigger share of value created going forward.

Re: AI optimism is a class privilege

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I would say it is privilege (now) combined with denialism (for the future). Not only do you have to believe that you're in the group that benefits, but you also have to believe that "AI" improvement from here forward will stall out prior to the point where it goes from assisting your job to replacing it wholesale. I suspect there are many less people for whom that applies to them than there are people who believe it…

>what happens when some significant percentage of everyone else (your potential customers) loses their income and society starts to crumble? They will start to burn down data centers.

There’s a reason that the Musks and Thiels of the world invested in luxury doomsday bunkers, because it won’t just be property people want to burn.

Re: AI optimism is a class privilege

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This sums up a lot of what I've been feeling lately. I've had a hard time getting excited about the AI long game, unlike a lot of my peers. I think being out of the industry for a few years (sold my startup a while back), and spending less time in that privileged tech bubble has made me far more aware of and concerned about average people and the future of non-tech hubs around the country/world. While I get value out of AI tools today, I see a lot more downsides in the immediate future for everyone that isn't directly working on this technology with skin in the game. Especially when our society doesn't seem even remotely ready for the big changes coming.

Re: AI optimism is a class privilege

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>what happens when some significant percentage of everyone else (your potential customers) loses their income and society starts to crumble? They will start to burn down data centers.

There’s a reason that the Musks and Thiels of the world invested in luxury doomsday bunkers, because it won’t just be property people want to burn.

The Soviets used the "iron broom" (i.e. murder) on the wealthy people.

It didn't make anyone better off.

Re: AI optimism is a class privilege

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India and Africa are significantly more optimistic about AI than US and EU There exists great promise in AI to be an equalizing force, if implemented well The future is yet to be written

> There exists great promise in AI to be an equalizing force, if implemented well

That doesn’t sound like a promise then no?

Re: AI optimism is a class privilege

#19
So the problem here is this isn't an article about AI.

When the Luddities broke machines and burned the buildings that held them it wasn't because they hated machines (well at least initially). It's because they hated starving in the streets.

This is just a continuing part of the class war that has been going on since humanity started writing. Now, the only thing that might make this different is class/capital may have finally gotten the power to win it.

Every time you vote against a social safety net, you are ensuring that our AI future is a dark one. History has repeated this over and over.

Re: AI optimism is a class privilege

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Many of the potential technologies we might unlock in the future come with great danger. We saw this clearly perhaps for the first time with atomic weapons - the kind of technology with which we could truly destroy ourselves.

Many other advancements might also carry that kind of existential danger. Genetic engineering, human machine interfacing, actual AGI.

I see the technological climb as a bit like climbing Mt Everest - it's possible that we might reach the peak and one day live on some kind of Star Trekian society, but the climb becomes increasingly treacherous along with the risk that we perish.

The trouble of course is that there's nothing else for us to do: it's in our nature to explore new frontiers. It's just not clear whether we'll be able to handle the responsibility that comes with the power.

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