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What your Bluetooth devices reveal

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Re: What your Bluetooth devices reveal

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> We’ve normalised the idea that Bluetooth is always on. Phones, laptops, smartwatches, headphones, cars, and even medical devices constantly broadcast their presence. The standard response to privacy concerns is usually “nothing to hide, nothing to fear.” I guess anything you send out can be used to profile you. Some of my friends live on a farm near a semi busy road, however far enough from other farms to not be ab…

> even medical devices constantly broadcast their presence

I mean yes, said medical devices are a whole lot less useful to me if they are not transmitting data. For some of this stuff you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Re: What your Bluetooth devices reveal

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Tangential, sort of: in the early days of mobile phones for the masses, when there was no WiFi/3G in the underground, I will often enable Bluetooth in my phone, look for nearby devices and try to match names and looks. That was before everyone had their "John's IPhone" or "Samsung A55" boring names everywhere and some of us cared to personalise our device's name. Anyone else played this game?

Yeah, but it stopped pretty soon stores figured out that they could flood you with advertisements over Bluetooth. In some places it was bad enough that I had to turn off Bluetooth.

Re: What your Bluetooth devices reveal

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I suspect the e-scooters left around town (Lime, Bird, etc) are massive Bluetooth / LoRa dragnets. You pay them to increase coverage or visibility to social hot spots.

Wow e-scooter wardriving is something I hadn’t thought of. Could be happening somewhere

Re: What your Bluetooth devices reveal

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Bluetooth desperately needs mac randomization. Wifi mac randomization is welcome, but it doesn't do much when many (most?) people have bluetooth accessories broadcasting a persistent identifier whenever they're on.

Re: What your Bluetooth devices reveal

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> We’ve normalised the idea that Bluetooth is always on. Phones, laptops, smartwatches, headphones, cars, and even medical devices constantly broadcast their presence. The standard response to privacy concerns is usually “nothing to hide, nothing to fear.” I guess anything you send out can be used to profile you. Some of my friends live on a farm near a semi busy road, however far enough from other farms to not be ab…

> even medical devices constantly broadcast their presence I mean yes, said medical devices are a whole lot less useful to me if they are not transmitting data. For some of this stuff you can't have your cake and eat it too.

There’s a middle ground here. There is no technical reason a pacemaker constantly broadcasts itself - there is ways to allow communication to such devices without yelling your name all the time. And there is definitely no reason for such a name to be a unique identifier.

Re: What your Bluetooth devices reveal

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About 10 years ago i had HomeAssistant running and thacking my bluetooth devices. It does so per default by jus memorizing a mac adress an recording when it's visible and when not. No need for pairing or anythung. It also stores the custom name if available. Anyway, the default dashboard also automatically generated a view when my neighbours "Katie's iPhone' was at home and when not, until I actively deleted it and t…

Similar story - "Home assistant picked up my neighbours Bluetooth toothbrush and now I can see when they brush their teeth"

https://www.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/comments/1306pcw/home...

Re: What your Bluetooth devices reveal

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> We’ve normalised the idea that Bluetooth is always on. Phones, laptops, smartwatches, headphones, cars, and even medical devices constantly broadcast their presence. The standard response to privacy concerns is usually “nothing to hide, nothing to fear.” I guess anything you send out can be used to profile you. Some of my friends live on a farm near a semi busy road, however far enough from other farms to not be ab…

>There where A LOT of access points named "Audi", "BMW", "Tesla" etc.

That's one of the funniest things about wardriving with Wigle on your phone. I can often see the SSID of "Jennifer's Equinox", "Jacks Suburban" right after I get cut off by someone in said vehicle. The vast majority of car bluetooth/wifi I see tends to have varying amounts of identifying information. It's almost as bad as the fact that apple still defaults to Jacks iPhone/iPad etc with no option to rename the device until you've finished setting it up.

Companies are not out to protect us with default settings and the majority of users need to wake up to this fact.

Re: What your Bluetooth devices reveal

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> We’ve normalised the idea that Bluetooth is always on. Phones, laptops, smartwatches, headphones, cars, and even medical devices constantly broadcast their presence. The standard response to privacy concerns is usually “nothing to hide, nothing to fear.” I guess anything you send out can be used to profile you. Some of my friends live on a farm near a semi busy road, however far enough from other farms to not be ab…

> even medical devices constantly broadcast their presence I mean yes, said medical devices are a whole lot less useful to me if they are not transmitting data. For some of this stuff you can't have your cake and eat it too.

I was wardriving my neighborhood and realized my elderly neighbor's CPAP machine is broadcasting some type of BT signal 24/7. I imagine it's transmitting some important stats, but it did make me have a 2nd thought about medical devices being IoT or BT enabled.

Re: What your Bluetooth devices reveal

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> We’ve normalised the idea that Bluetooth is always on. Phones, laptops, smartwatches, headphones, cars, and even medical devices constantly broadcast their presence. The standard response to privacy concerns is usually “nothing to hide, nothing to fear.” I guess anything you send out can be used to profile you. Some of my friends live on a farm near a semi busy road, however far enough from other farms to not be ab…

I disable bluetooth on my phone, though periodically I find that it's back on.

Edit: iOS

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