If you have access to hardware, then it is very difficult not to have it jailbroken. Especially hardware which was built by many contractors in the span of many years. Too large surface area.
Dutch Defence Secretary Boldly Claims F-35 Software Could Be 'Jailbroken'
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Re: Dutch Defence Secretary Boldly Claims F-35 Software Could Be 'Jailbroken'
#12Why is anyone surprised anyway?? USA is always bitching about China and yet, it uses its giant techs to spy on the whole world. Microsoft O365 blocking Europen politics email account by Trump demands. Seeing Europe ditching USA big techs software/SaaS in flavor of open-source, is the best thing that could have happened. Back to the F-35, anything built before 80s, were built to last. Everything built now is built to…
> Seeing Europe ditching USA big techs software/SaaS in flavor of open-source, is the best thing that could have happened.
Google is literally begging EU not to do that, because it is destroying Google's moat.
https://www.techzine.eu/news/infrastructure/138751/google-wa...
Re: Dutch Defence Secretary Boldly Claims F-35 Software Could Be 'Jailbroken'
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
But it's not Dutch secret, right? It's the USA's one, right? All in all, kinda makes me suspect that statement is simply untrue.
If it’s anything like the code in passenger vehicles or airplanes, it is: - spaghetti code that’s difficult or impossible to formally exercise fully in unit, comprehensive, or proof-centric testing - delivered as compiled binaries for industrial-chip architectures by e.g. Renesas that have extremely hardened hardware and resilience - annoying but feasible to reverse engineer in Ghidra - designed to prioritize repaira…
> has an undocumented but wire-sniffable protocol for firmware updates
- Has an undocumented blob execution feature used for testing of the unit after it was sealed and glued.
- Has a documented secondary bootloader (remote code execution by design) due to historical reasons.
Re: Dutch Defence Secretary Boldly Claims F-35 Software Could Be 'Jailbroken'
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
But it's not Dutch secret, right? It's the USA's one, right? All in all, kinda makes me suspect that statement is simply untrue.
Didn't you hear? American laws apply to everyone now. /s
American's are fierce at ramming their laws into throats of others, but when EU says that Parmesan cheese can only come from Italy, they are immediately throwing a hissy fit.
Re: Dutch Defence Secretary Boldly Claims F-35 Software Could Be 'Jailbroken'
#15Users of the F-35 have to send their data through U.S. controlled systems, depend on the U.S. for mission critical software updates, and cant even independently test their own jets outside U.S. soil.
There is a country that has a full exception to this. They run their own maintenance facilities, have their own software layer running on top of Lockheed system, their own EW suite, and significant control over the data flows. They negotiated this precisely because they understood the dependency trap. In addition they requested modifications to allow the F-35 to carry nuclear weapons.
The naivety of the Dutch Defense Secretary in thinking all have the sames rules is what would be expected...Guess the country name...
Re: Dutch Defence Secretary Boldly Claims F-35 Software Could Be 'Jailbroken'
#16If you have access to hardware, then it is very difficult not to have it jailbroken. Especially hardware which was built by many contractors in the span of many years. Too large surface area.
Especially a platform like this which has most likely seen little security assurance given its classification.
Re: Dutch Defence Secretary Boldly Claims F-35 Software Could Be 'Jailbroken'
#17Users of the F-35 have to send their data through U.S. controlled systems, depend on the U.S. for mission critical software updates, and cant even independently test their own jets outside U.S. soil. There is a country that has a full exception to this. They run their own maintenance facilities, have their own software layer running on top of Lockheed system, their own EW suite, and significant control over the data…
Israel?
Re: Dutch Defence Secretary Boldly Claims F-35 Software Could Be 'Jailbroken'
#18Just call the guys who jailbroke the Newag trains.
Re: Dutch Defence Secretary Boldly Claims F-35 Software Could Be 'Jailbroken'
#19Users of the F-35 have to send their data through U.S. controlled systems, depend on the U.S. for mission critical software updates, and cant even independently test their own jets outside U.S. soil. There is a country that has a full exception to this. They run their own maintenance facilities, have their own software layer running on top of Lockheed system, their own EW suite, and significant control over the data…
Israel?
Yeap.
"F-35I Adir: Israel’s Custom F-35 That No Other Nation Has" - https://www.19fortyfive.com/2025/04/f-35i-adir-israels-custo...
And the ultimate kicker...They got them for free, plus 2 Billion from US tax payers...While suckers Norway, Denmark, Italy who invested billions in the program development plus Netherlands etc...Have to pay for them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning...
Re: Dutch Defence Secretary Boldly Claims F-35 Software Could Be 'Jailbroken'
#20Good luck getting spare parts or maintenance on jailbroken fighters!
Code is only one of many dependencies (designed in, I assume).