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Radio host David Greene says Google's NotebookLM tool stole his voice

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Re: Radio host David Greene says Google's NotebookLM tool stole his voice

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I listen to some Jupiter Broadcasting podcasts. The main host (Chris Fisher) regularly pops up in NotebookLLM content, with his voice. Sometimes it just jumps in, and then after some time out again. It’s usually a pretty perfect imitation, I can’t hear the difference . Edit, here an older piece, there have been many since: [0], it’s the 3rd voice that enters the NotebookLLM clip so it takes a minute before it comes i…

Where no limbs are left behind.

Re: Radio host David Greene says Google's NotebookLM tool stole his voice

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His voice doesn't sound that distinctive to me. He's going to have a hard time unless he can find some emails that say, use David Green's voice.

He'll likely file in California or Federal and ask for Jury trial. I think a Jury will be sympathetic. I doubt Google will want this to go to a jury trial - not worth the risk, further news cycles of negative PR and impact on staff morale. NPR is credible and liked.

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At a certain point with generative AI we're going to run out of voices and faces the same way we run out of domain names and trademarks.

Can we not sample indefinitely from the latent space of vocal and delivery characteristics?

Re: Radio host David Greene says Google's NotebookLM tool stole his voice

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His voice doesn't sound that distinctive to me. He's going to have a hard time unless he can find some emails that say, use David Green's voice.

His voice doesn't sound that distinctive to me. It doesn't matter whether it sounds distinctive to you. What matters is whether it's close enough to the real person's voice to be an infringement. Just like it doesn't matter if you used a machine to duplicate a painting. It's still an infringement. You can't publish a Harry Potter novel and then throw up your hands and say, "It wasn't me. The AI decided to name the ch…

> What matters is whether it's close enough to the real person's voice to be an infringement.

Also not sufficient. There has to be some evidence they attempted to copy the voice rather than just found one that was eerily similar.

This comes up from time to time without AI either. Like its not good if a firm goes out to find someone with a voice similar to a famous person / voice actor…but its fine if they just randomly find one that sounds exactly the same and they say “oooh lets go with this one” and not “oooh perfect this sounds just like Dan LaFontaine!”

Re: Radio host David Greene says Google's NotebookLM tool stole his voice

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I listen to some Jupiter Broadcasting podcasts. The main host (Chris Fisher) regularly pops up in NotebookLLM content, with his voice. Sometimes it just jumps in, and then after some time out again. It’s usually a pretty perfect imitation, I can’t hear the difference . Edit, here an older piece, there have been many since: [0], it’s the 3rd voice that enters the NotebookLLM clip so it takes a minute before it comes i…

I think I rememeber an episode where he played a clip of AI Chris talking about Linux at the start of an episode and I genuinely couldn't tell the difference

Re: Radio host David Greene says Google's NotebookLM tool stole his voice

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His voice doesn't sound that distinctive to me. He's going to have a hard time unless he can find some emails that say, use David Green's voice.

I think a lot of sport announcers sound the same. There might just be classes of voices where you expect a faceless voice in some scenario to sound a certain way.

Re: Radio host David Greene says Google's NotebookLM tool stole his voice

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I listen to some Jupiter Broadcasting podcasts. The main host (Chris Fisher) regularly pops up in NotebookLLM content, with his voice. Sometimes it just jumps in, and then after some time out again. It’s usually a pretty perfect imitation, I can’t hear the difference . Edit, here an older piece, there have been many since: [0], it’s the 3rd voice that enters the NotebookLLM clip so it takes a minute before it comes i…

Yeah, I don't hear it.

I kept listening waiting to hear the voice that was supposed to sound like him, and never did.

Was it the first one (I heard three different voices during the clip)? That one is considerably deeper than the podcaster's voice, and has different tones, too. It definitely wasn't the last one, that one was much higher pitched (and then a female voice in the middle).

Feels like a big stretch, to say the least. But I can tell a big difference between the two.

Ultimately, it's like some of the music copyright lawsuits, where they're suing over chord progression. There are a billion voices on the planet -- any AI generated voice is going to sound similar to someone else's real voice (and again, I don't hear it at all in this case).

EDIT: So it's the third voice apparently. The pitch is close, but the tones and accents still definitely feel "off" enough that it doesn't sound like they were intentionally going for this guy. It still feels like a stretch to me, but not as much as the first voice did.

Re: Radio host David Greene says Google's NotebookLM tool stole his voice

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

His voice doesn't sound that distinctive to me. It doesn't matter whether it sounds distinctive to you. What matters is whether it's close enough to the real person's voice to be an infringement. Just like it doesn't matter if you used a machine to duplicate a painting. It's still an infringement. You can't publish a Harry Potter novel and then throw up your hands and say, "It wasn't me. The AI decided to name the ch…

> What matters is whether it's close enough to the real person's voice to be an infringement. Also not sufficient. There has to be some evidence they attempted to copy the voice rather than just found one that was eerily similar. This comes up from time to time without AI either. Like its not good if a firm goes out to find someone with a voice similar to a famous person / voice actor…but its fine if they just random…

All sorts of movie trailers used Don LaFontaine knockoffs.

Re: Radio host David Greene says Google's NotebookLM tool stole his voice

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Echoes of when Scarlett Johansson accused OpenAI of stealing her voice. That time it was impossible to tell who was in the right - there was no available recording of OpenAI's supposed Scarlett clone - they had pulled it immediately for fear of bad PR. Then came the completely nonsensical HN threads with people arguing about something they hadn't heard. Maybe don't redo that whole thing? Could we at least make sure t…

Don't know what you're talking about, clips of the AI voice were publicly available at the time.
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