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Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Post by Quothling »

jmclnx wrote: post #7

What a surprise, IIRC in Hong Kong there was a platform that was fully decentralized. HK protesters used it on their phones during their uprising and China could not block it. Maybe it is time people move to that. Sadly I forgot its name or where to get it. Of course the app stores could block that too. There is always USENET I guess. I wonder if there are apps on Cell Phones that can access USENET and format the pos…

Bridgefy, Firechat, Bitchat and other bluetooth/wifi peer-to-peer SoMe's are great as long as you're enough people around. As long as you don't rely on one of the big tech app stores (or use an iPhone), it's not hard to get them even when the government is being tyrannical. It would be interesting to build something that would work over the various IoT networks which basically span all of Europe, but I guess that would be hard in countries where there are large areas of "nothing". It also depends on farmers choosing open source technology for their tech since you'd need a lot of farming IoT equipment to connect cross rural areas.

Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Post by embedding-shape »

Quothling wrote: post #11
jmclnx wrote: post #7

What a surprise, IIRC in Hong Kong there was a platform that was fully decentralized. HK protesters used it on their phones during their uprising and China could not block it. Maybe it is time people move to that. Sadly I forgot its name or where to get it. Of course the app stores could block that too. There is always USENET I guess. I wonder if there are apps on Cell Phones that can access USENET and format the pos…

Bridgefy, Firechat, Bitchat and other bluetooth/wifi peer-to-peer SoMe's are great as long as you're enough people around. As long as you don't rely on one of the big tech app stores (or use an iPhone), it's not hard to get them even when the government is being tyrannical. It would be interesting to build something that would work over the various IoT networks which basically span all of Europe, but I guess that wou…

> It would be interesting to build something that would work over the various IoT networks which basically span all of Europe, but I guess that would be hard in countries where there are large areas of "nothing".

A portable device that could effortless hook up to the existing decentralized wireless networks would be even better, Freifunk covers large part of Germany, Guifi covers large parts of Spain, probably there are more somewhere else too, but AFAIK there is no portable device that lets you easily just connect and chat, still requires a bit of setup to participate.

Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Post by Braxton1980 »

tjpnz wrote: post #3

I thought Republicans were for small government and were anti-censorship.

This is why the both sides argument is frustrating to hear.

Yes. Both sides censor people. I'm sure we'll see a comment about Biden censoring anti covid vaccine posts and the poster is somewhat right.

The difference is the Republicans run on freedom of speech making them hypocrites.

Being a hypocrite is the worst attribute a politician can have in a representative democracy

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Post by Tagbert »

dixie_land wrote: post #16
amelius wrote: post #12

Including Apple. If it's that easy, how long do we really expect Advanced Data Protection to be free from government backdooring?

Was it ever?

The British Government believes it to be secure. That’s why they were asking for a back door.

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Post by tehjoker »

michaelt wrote: post #10
tehjoker wrote: post #5

All the tech ceos are on the trump train this time around, it was a specific strategy of the trump campaign. Using words like “caved” as though they were pressured and not already aligned with the government is a disservice.

I interpret ‘caved’ in this context to mean they’re not gaining much in return - they make a loss by doing this, just they make an even bigger loss if they were targets of a Trump tantrum.

That’s fair, I don’t think the CEOs are fully aligned culturally with Trump but they are sick of pretending to be liberals that care about other people and they want to make more money.

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Post by api »

Large corporations, especially publicly traded ones, have zero power to resist their sovereign government. Publicly traded companies are heavily regulated and dependent on their stock price, making them trivially vulnerable to political retaliation.

I’m not sure why people look to corporations for political resistance. It’s the wrong place to look. They’re not structured for it and it’s not their purpose.

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