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Re: Slop Terrifies Me

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Post by outime »

> 90% is a lot. Will you care about the last 10%? I'm terrified that you won't.

I feel like long before LLMs, people already didn't care about this.

If anything software quality has been decreasing significantly, even at the "highest level" (see Windows, macOS, etc). Are LLMs going to make it worse? I'm skeptical, because they might actually accelerate shipping bug fixes that (pre-LLMs) would have required more time and management buy-in, only to be met with "yeah don’t bother, look at the usage stats, nobody cares".

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Post by Ezhik »

PlatoIsADisease wrote: post #2

>What if the future of computing belongs not to artisan developers or Carol from Accounting, but to whoever can churn out the most software out the fastest? What if good enough really is good enough for most people? Sounds like the cost of everything goes down. Instead of subscription apps, we have free Fdroid apps. Instead of only the 0.1% commissioning art, all of humanity gets to commission art. And when we do pay…

The future you describe seems closer to the "Carol from Accounting" future I am hoping for in the blog post. My worry is that cost of everything goes down just enough to price out of existence all of the artists the 0.1% used to commission, without actually letting all of humanity do the same.

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Post by hereme888 »

"terrified".... overused word. As a man I literally can't relate. I get terrified when I see a shark next to me in the ocean. I get impatient when code is hard to debug.

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Post by lm2s »

beardyw wrote: post #10

I think this is far too nuanced. I am terrified by what the civilization we have known will become. People living in less advanced economies will do OK, but the rest of us not so much. We stand on the brink of a world where some wealthy people will get more wealthy, but very many will struggle without work or prospects. A society where a large percent have no income is unsustainable in the short term, and ultimately…

Yes, that’s why they are on the race to building the very advanced robots. To prevent the violence towards them.

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Post by Ezhik »

andrewstuart wrote: post #4

I use AI/LLMs hard for my programming. They allow me to do work I could never have done before. But there’s no chance at all of an LLM one shotting anything that I aim to build. Every single step in the process is an intensely human grind trying to understand the LLM and coax it to make the thing I have in mind. The people who are panicking aren’t using this stuff in depth. If they were, then they would have no anxie…

I'm less afraid of people using LLMs for coding well than I am of people not caring to and just shipping slop.

This is the browser engine I was alluding to in the post: https://github.com/wilsonzlin/fastrender

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Post by vrighter »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #8
bartvk wrote: post #3

I deeply hate the people that use AI to poison the music, video or articles that I consume. However I really feel that it can possibly make software cheaper. A couple of years ago, I worked for an agency as a dev. I had a chat with one of the sales people, and he said clients asked him why custom apps were so expensive, when the hardware had gotten relatively cheap. He had a much harder time selling mobile apps. Poss…

>Possibly, this will bring a new era of decent macOS desktop and mobile apps, not another web app that I have to run in my browser and have no control over. There has been no shortage of mobile apps, Apple frequently boasts that there are over 2 million of them in the App Store. I have little doubt there will be more, whether any of the extra will be decent remains to be seen.

ai is trained on the stuff already written. Software has been taking a nosedive for ages (ex, committing to shipping something in 6 months before one even figures out what to put in it). If anything shit will get worse due to the deskilling being caused by ai.

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Post by jjgreen »

beardyw wrote: post #10

I think this is far too nuanced. I am terrified by what the civilization we have known will become. People living in less advanced economies will do OK, but the rest of us not so much. We stand on the brink of a world where some wealthy people will get more wealthy, but very many will struggle without work or prospects. A society where a large percent have no income is unsustainable in the short term, and ultimately…

Welcome to capitalism!

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Post by Muromec »

beardyw wrote: post #10

I think this is far too nuanced. I am terrified by what the civilization we have known will become. People living in less advanced economies will do OK, but the rest of us not so much. We stand on the brink of a world where some wealthy people will get more wealthy, but very many will struggle without work or prospects. A society where a large percent have no income is unsustainable in the short term, and ultimately…

It's regression to the mean in action. Everethyng eventually collapses into olygarhy and wevwill simply joing the unpriviliged rest in their misery. Likely with few wars civil or not here and there

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Post by kubb »

beardyw wrote: post #10

I think this is far too nuanced. I am terrified by what the civilization we have known will become. People living in less advanced economies will do OK, but the rest of us not so much. We stand on the brink of a world where some wealthy people will get more wealthy, but very many will struggle without work or prospects. A society where a large percent have no income is unsustainable in the short term, and ultimately…

I wonder, will the rich start hiring elaborate casts of servants including butlers, footmen, lady's maids, and so on, since they'll be the only ones with the income?

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Post by intrasight »

> I'm terrified that our craft will die, and nobody will even care to mourn it.

"Terrified" is a strong word for the death of any craft. And as long as there are thousands that love the craft, then it will not have died.

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