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Re: LICENSE: _may be_ licensed to use source code; incorrect license grant

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post #9

The license seems perfectly clear in that it's multiply-licensed under AGPL, MIT, and corporate licensing based on different use cases. Maybe this guy has reading comprehension issues, but more likely he's just unhappy with the corporate part and wants to stir drama.

They could simply say that, then, instead of saying you might be able to use it under the AGPL.

Re: LICENSE: _may be_ licensed to use source code; incorrect license grant

#13
post #9

The license seems perfectly clear in that it's multiply-licensed under AGPL, MIT, and corporate licensing based on different use cases. Maybe this guy has reading comprehension issues, but more likely he's just unhappy with the corporate part and wants to stir drama.

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Re: LICENSE: _may be_ licensed to use source code; incorrect license grant

#16
To me, this seems kinda reasonable.

The reality is licenses are all nonsense and none of it makes any sense. There could be secret patents nobody knows about. That precise wording written by American lawyers might not hold up in Chinese courts. There might be two compatible licenses, but one is 20x the length of the other; obviously some legal expert thought those extra words were needed - but are they? What's going on with linking and derivative works? Do you need to copy-and-paste the full legal blurb into every single file, or not? Why are some sections written in all caps, and does the reason for doing that apply globally? What if someone claimed to have the right to contribute code to an open project but actually had an employment contract meaning the code wasn't theirs to transfer? What's the copyright status of three-line stackoverflow answers?

The truth is nobody knows, and nobody cares. You and I won't get sued, probably, and if we do it's not like we'd have avoided it by reading the license. Might as well ignore it, like people ignore website terms of use and software click-through licenses and other legal mumbo-jumbo.

On the other hand, if you're the kind of gigantic enterprise that has policies on software licenses and a team of in-house lawyers and you can't use this software without greater license clarity? Well, you can get that licensing clarity with the enterprise version of the software.

Re: LICENSE: _may be_ licensed to use source code; incorrect license grant

#17

You should read the license, it seems somewhat insane to be honest: https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost/blob/master/LICENSE...

Looks pretty logical to me...

It is AGPL 3.0, except they give you slightly more rights with a promise not to enforce certain provisions in certain circumstances.

Re: LICENSE: _may be_ licensed to use source code; incorrect license grant

#18
Is the bad publicity worth it with this kind of rug pull to "we are opensource, but not really"? I get that an open source product can get you some free (word of mouth) and good publicity. But in general, open source is also strongly associated with "free" (as in you don't have to pay money for it). So if you do want to make money from a software product, weigh the pros and cons carefully - commercial open source products do tend to be less profitable than commercial closed-source versions. If you are ok with that, go with the open source business model. Otherwise, stick to the closed-source business model from the get go. Be honest from the start - brand damage is really costly to repair.

Re: LICENSE: _may be_ licensed to use source code; incorrect license grant

#19
post #9

The license seems perfectly clear in that it's multiply-licensed under AGPL, MIT, and corporate licensing based on different use cases. Maybe this guy has reading comprehension issues, but more likely he's just unhappy with the corporate part and wants to stir drama.

Hopefully I'm not violating copyright by taking this small chunk of their LICENSE.txt, but this appears to be the language that some want clarified:

https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost/blob/master/LICENSE...

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    You are licensed to use compiled versions of the Mattermost platform produced by Mattermost, Inc. under an MIT LICENSE
    
    - See MIT-COMPILED-LICENSE.md included in compiled versions for details
    
    You may be licensed to use source code to create compiled versions not produced by Mattermost, Inc. in one of two ways:
    
    1. Under the Free Software Foundation’s GNU AGPL v3.0, subject to the exceptions outlined in this policy; or
    2. Under a commercial license available from Mattermost, Inc. by contacting commercial@mattermost.com

Re: LICENSE: _may be_ licensed to use source code; incorrect license grant

#20
post #2

> at this time we are not entertaining any changes as such. Always wonder what leads people to write like this. What does "as such" add to the sentence? At least "at this time" is temporally conditional to the future, it has purpose. Entertaining is posh "thinking about" or "interested in" so had the merit of being one word in place of two but so is "considering" Are we not entertained?

i think it's just meant to add an air of poise and propriety as such
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