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Re: Library of Juggling

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Post by vunderba »

LanceH wrote: post #10
thom wrote: post #4

Juggling is one of hobbies with the highest ratios of being able to impress random people versus the actual effort you have to put in, and I generally find I never forget 3-ball stuff I learned as a kid. It's also as good as a long walk for getting you out of your head when needed. Shout out to anyone that remembers the Mushy Pea juggling shop in Manchester many years ago, where I learned all sorts of circus skills.

Juggling 3 is a skill that is way easier than people think until they do it. But the very next question is will be, "how many can you juggle?" as they apparently think juggling 4 is just 33% more difficult than 3.

It’s also fun that you can tweak it without the layperson even noticing the change in relative difficulty.

  Cascade pattern = easy difficulty  
  Shower pattern = normal difficulty  
  Box pattern = hard difficulty
As someone who loves to run their hands up and down in the piano in grand sweeping arpeggios, I'm a huge fan of patterns where the perceived difficulty is higher than the actual difficulty.

Re: Library of Juggling

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Post by Someone »

LanceH wrote: post #10
thom wrote: post #4

Juggling is one of hobbies with the highest ratios of being able to impress random people versus the actual effort you have to put in, and I generally find I never forget 3-ball stuff I learned as a kid. It's also as good as a long walk for getting you out of your head when needed. Shout out to anyone that remembers the Mushy Pea juggling shop in Manchester many years ago, where I learned all sorts of circus skills.

Juggling 3 is a skill that is way easier than people think until they do it. But the very next question is will be, "how many can you juggle?" as they apparently think juggling 4 is just 33% more difficult than 3.

For those wondering: to juggle 4 balls, you either have to decrease the time between catching a ball and throwing it again or increase the time a ball is in the air.

Unless you start throwing feathers or balloons, the latter requires you throw higher. That requires you to either spend more time launching them up (bad for the ‘decrease time between catching and throwing’) or use more force (bad for throwing accuracy.

Also, even assuming you juggle 4 balls keeping “time in hand” equal, you have to throw it higher by a factor of (4/3)². That’s almost 2.

And even if you manage to make those throws with the same accuracy in angles, the errors in location by the time you catch the balls scale by the same factor.

Re: Library of Juggling

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Post by vikingerik »

thom wrote: post #4

Juggling is one of hobbies with the highest ratios of being able to impress random people versus the actual effort you have to put in, and I generally find I never forget 3-ball stuff I learned as a kid. It's also as good as a long walk for getting you out of your head when needed. Shout out to anyone that remembers the Mushy Pea juggling shop in Manchester many years ago, where I learned all sorts of circus skills.

Rubik's cubing is another. Most people here with enough logical aptitude to be programmers could probably learn a beginner method in a day or two. I'll pick up a cube anywhere I see one scrambled, solve it in a couple minutes, and then the last flourish is to leave it in the checkerboard pattern.

I also juggle, and the result of the combination is that approximately every single person on Facebook has posted to me the video about solving cubes while juggling them...

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Post by pavel_lishin »

Those animations - the stick figures moving red balls - were all over Tumblr a few months ago, with people creating all sorts of interesting animations out of them. You can find them by searching for "juggling lab".

Re: Library of Juggling

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Post by pavel_lishin »

IAmBroom wrote: post #9
xnorswap wrote: post #3

I find it fascinating that it uses a 2-9 scale to grade difficulty. The rating is described as a rating "1 - 10" But every trick is actually graded 2 to 9. ( https://libraryofjuggling.com/TricksByDifficulty.html ) Presumably no-one ever wanted to define a grade 1, just in case an easier one was discovered, and similarly for 10.

Well, do we really even need to discuss juggling 1? I just call that tossing the ball around...

> do we really even need to discuss juggling 1?

When I was learning to juggle, that was the first step - and for someone who's never really tried to juggle, or toss a ball up and down in a very consistent way, it's surprisingly hard. Honestly, probably not a 1 on the scale.

Re: Library of Juggling

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Post by dsclough »

Someone wrote: post #12
LanceH wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Juggling 3 is a skill that is way easier than people think until they do it. But the very next question is will be, "how many can you juggle?" as they apparently think juggling 4 is just 33% more difficult than 3.

For those wondering: to juggle 4 balls, you either have to decrease the time between catching a ball and throwing it again or increase the time a ball is in the air. Unless you start throwing feathers or balloons, the latter requires you throw higher. That requires you to either spend more time launching them up (bad for the ‘decrease time between catching and throwing’) or use more force (bad for throwing accuracy.…

In my experience people can’t even tell how many balls you’re juggling after 3. 4, 5, 6, 7 all get “how many balls is that”, silly stuff like 3 ball factory blows more minds than 5 ball site swaps

Re: Library of Juggling

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Post by munificent »

Someone wrote: post #12
LanceH wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Juggling 3 is a skill that is way easier than people think until they do it. But the very next question is will be, "how many can you juggle?" as they apparently think juggling 4 is just 33% more difficult than 3.

For those wondering: to juggle 4 balls, you either have to decrease the time between catching a ball and throwing it again or increase the time a ball is in the air. Unless you start throwing feathers or balloons, the latter requires you throw higher. That requires you to either spend more time launching them up (bad for the ‘decrease time between catching and throwing’) or use more force (bad for throwing accuracy.…

Also, with a three ball pattern, most of the time there's only a single ball in the air. With four, there are almost always two. The odds of a mid-air collision increase significantly, and go up as the number of balls increases.

That also forces you to have much more consistent throws which, as you note, gets harder because you also have to throw higher which scales up any error in the force you're applying.

Re: Library of Juggling

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Post by crystal_revenge »

Someone wrote: post #12
LanceH wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Juggling 3 is a skill that is way easier than people think until they do it. But the very next question is will be, "how many can you juggle?" as they apparently think juggling 4 is just 33% more difficult than 3.

For those wondering: to juggle 4 balls, you either have to decrease the time between catching a ball and throwing it again or increase the time a ball is in the air. Unless you start throwing feathers or balloons, the latter requires you throw higher. That requires you to either spend more time launching them up (bad for the ‘decrease time between catching and throwing’) or use more force (bad for throwing accuracy.…

> you either have to decrease the time between catching a ball and throwing it again or increase the time a ball is in the air

I think you might be thinking of 5 ball juggling.

4 ball juggling (or at least it's most common variant, "The Fountain" [0]) is fascinating because it's really juggling two balls in each hand in a way that makes it appear similar to the standard cascade. Though this may sound "less hard" than what people initially imagine, it's a very different feeling than all the basics you learn using only 3 balls.

0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_(juggling)

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