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Oregon gave homeless youth $1k/month with no strings
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Re: Oregon gave homeless youth $1k/month with no strings
#12So if you give people money they'll endeavor to tell you precisely what they think you want to hear. I would be much more impressed if this wasn't based solely on self-reported results.
I agree, further study is warranted. They should do it again with a larger cohort for longer and with more objective measures.
Re: Oregon gave homeless youth $1k/month with no strings
#13So if you give people money they'll endeavor to tell you precisely what they think you want to hear. I would be much more impressed if this wasn't based solely on self-reported results.
Yeah, couldn't possibly be that there were any actually good results coming from this. That's just an impossibility.
If you pay people $1k to kill snakes, you'll end up with a lot of dead snakes, but you'll also end up with more snakes.
It's not good enough to prove that the solution to the problem works for one side. It could create a problem elsewhere, and easily a bigger problem than you had before.
It's definitely not a good enough answer to give people $1k and essentially ask them: did you like getting $1k?
That's not what happened. This is what they did:
> Oregon’s results confirm what we saw in New York: When you cover the real cost of shared housing directly for two years — and pair it with support — young people stay housed
That's very light on details.
I would hope we can assume with a non-trivial sample size that you will find at least some success cases.
That should not surprise anyone. It matters: how often did it pay off (not answered), how much did it pay off (housed after is a start, for how long, what other improvements would be good to know), was it worth it (presumably we could've given them $10M per month and got similar results, which clearly would not have been worth it), and how can you prove it doesn't create a worse problem elsewhere (the hard part).
People like to just assume that if you give people money there's no hidden side effects elsewhere. Giving money is good. Plain and simple. There can't be any bad involved. Well, there can.
Re: Oregon gave homeless youth $1k/month with no strings
#14So if you give people money they'll endeavor to tell you precisely what they think you want to hear. I would be much more impressed if this wasn't based solely on self-reported results.
> “Just one year after completing (the program), I’m in my own place, halfway through a business degree, focused on building a stable, secure foundation for my daughter and myself, and working toward becoming a nonprofit leader who supports her community.”
I know, right? She did all that just so she could give her social workers the feedback they wanted to hear! Those liberals are so dastardly!
Re: Oregon gave homeless youth $1k/month with no strings
#15I like the idea of helping people out of poverty. But the problem with government funded charities is they are so ripe for fraud, they almost never get managed properly.
Re: Oregon gave homeless youth $1k/month with no strings
#16> More than half of participants were women, while 30% were male and 18% identified as transgender or gender inclusive.
Why were the ratios not representative of actual homeless demographics? Most homeless people are biological men by an overwhelming majority.
Maybe transgendered people and women seek more help? Or the people conducting this study were biased themselves? As a result, I don’t think the results universally say something about homelessness.
Re: Oregon gave homeless youth $1k/month with no strings
#17So if you give people money they'll endeavor to tell you precisely what they think you want to hear. I would be much more impressed if this wasn't based solely on self-reported results.
self reported results that may be confirmed, vs subjective self reports such as, i feel happy and motivated now.
Re: Oregon gave homeless youth $1k/month with no strings
#18I like the idea of helping people out of poverty. But the problem with government funded charities is they are so ripe for fraud, they almost never get managed properly.
This is a myth, actual fraud rates on programs like this are tiny - especially if you compare them to the benefits.
Re: Oregon gave homeless youth $1k/month with no strings
#19I like the idea of helping people out of poverty. But the problem with government funded charities is they are so ripe for fraud, they almost never get managed properly.
This is a myth, actual fraud rates on programs like this are tiny - especially if you compare them to the benefits.
Fraud rates on benefits are also absurdly low.
Re: Oregon gave homeless youth $1k/month with no strings
#20> More than half of participants were women, while 30% were male and 18% identified as transgender or gender inclusive. Why were the ratios not representative of actual homeless demographics? Most homeless people are biological men by an overwhelming majority. Maybe transgendered people and women seek more help? Or the people conducting this study were biased themselves? As a result, I don’t think the results univers…
Probably because homeless women are more likely than homeless men to access social services, which means they're where the program directors can find them?