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US judge rules Luigi Mangione won't face death penalty in CEO killing case

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Re: US judge rules Luigi Mangione won't face death penalty in CEO killing case

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

no they dont say why, not here. apparently the cops acted like the 4th didnt exist, so the backpack contents were disqualified as evidence. federal stalking charges have stuck so now life in prison is on the table.

He’s going to walk.

> He’s going to walk

If you actually believe this you can more than 10x your money [1].

[1] https://polymarket.com/event/luigi-mangione-out-of-custody-b...

Re: US judge rules Luigi Mangione won't face death penalty in CEO killing case

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  Attorney General Pam Bondi ordered Manhattan federal prosecutors last April to seek the death penalty against Mangione.
  ...
  Judge Margaret Garnett dismissed a federal murder charge that had enabled prosecutors to seek capital punishment, finding it technically flawed. 
~ https://apnews.com/article/mangione-unitedhealthcare-death-p...

How many gross errors of basic law and procedure has the current AG made and overseen to date?

  In 2020, Bondi was one of President Donald Trump's defense lawyers during his first impeachment trial. By 2024, she led the legal arm of the Trump-aligned America First Policy Institute. On November 21, 2024, President-elect Trump announced his intention to nominate Bondi for U.S. attorney general after former congressman Matt Gaetz withdrew from consideration.
Personal lawyer, legal advisor for political think tank, second choice after Matt "F-ing" Gaetz ...

These are impressive credentials.

Re: US judge rules Luigi Mangione won't face death penalty in CEO killing case

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

no they dont say why, not here. apparently the cops acted like the 4th didnt exist, so the backpack contents were disqualified as evidence. federal stalking charges have stuck so now life in prison is on the table.

He’s going to walk.

I actually think it's so bad in our country right now that if someone showed up at the court and snuck a gun in and shot Luigi in the back and killed him ... THAT guy would definitely get the death penalty. (he should, but so should Luigi)

It's all political at this point.

Re: US judge rules Luigi Mangione won't face death penalty in CEO killing case

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The article doesn't explain clearly why, even though no one seems to be disputing the murder, the murder charge is being dismissed. It's because of jurisdiction. Normally, only states have jurisdiction over murders. The feds can charge murder if and only if the murder is connected to some other federal "crime of violence" (e.g. killing a federal official, murder-for-hire across state lines). Here, the federal 'hook'…

> The article doesn't explain clearly why, even though no one seems to be disputing the murder, the murder charge is being dismissed.

I mean, its literally being dismissed because the defendant successfully disputed the murder (as even a valid charge under the prosecutors own allegations.) He also, in the parallel state case which does not rely on the much narrower federal murder statute used in the federal case, is disputing the alleged murder as a matter of fact.

So, it is inaccurate to say “no one is disputing the murder”.

Re: US judge rules Luigi Mangione won't face death penalty in CEO killing case

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He’s going to walk.

I actually think it's so bad in our country right now that if someone showed up at the court and snuck a gun in and shot Luigi in the back and killed him ... THAT guy would definitely get the death penalty. (he should, but so should Luigi) It's all political at this point.

Why should either of them get the death penalty?

Re: US judge rules Luigi Mangione won't face death penalty in CEO killing case

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post #12

Attorney General Pam Bondi ordered Manhattan federal prosecutors last April to seek the death penalty against Mangione. ... Judge Margaret Garnett dismissed a federal murder charge that had enabled prosecutors to seek capital punishment, finding it technically flawed. ~ https://apnews.com/article/mangione-unitedhealthcare-death-p... How many gross errors of basic law and procedure has the current AG made and overseen…

Noem at the Senate hearing : "Well, habeas corpus is a constitutional right that the president has to be able to remove people from this country, and suspend their right to ..."

After senator cut her off and explained what habeas corpus really is, Noem responded:

"I support habeas corpus. I also recognize that the president of the United States has the authority under the Constitution to decide if it should be suspended or not."

Re: US judge rules Luigi Mangione won't face death penalty in CEO killing case

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

no they dont say why, not here. apparently the cops acted like the 4th didnt exist, so the backpack contents were disqualified as evidence. federal stalking charges have stuck so now life in prison is on the table.

He’s going to walk.

Keep dreaming.

I'm not sure why so many people believe that what - jury nullification? - is going to happen.

Re: US judge rules Luigi Mangione won't face death penalty in CEO killing case

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The article doesn't explain clearly why, even though no one seems to be disputing the murder, the murder charge is being dismissed. It's because of jurisdiction. Normally, only states have jurisdiction over murders. The feds can charge murder if and only if the murder is connected to some other federal "crime of violence" (e.g. killing a federal official, murder-for-hire across state lines). Here, the federal 'hook'…

The term “crime of violence,” used in a number of federal criminal statutes, is notoriously unclear and subject to a lot of litigation: https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R45220 (“Since the CCCA's enactment, reviewing courts have had to interpret and apply the statutory definition of a crime of violence, sometimes reaching disparate conclusions over the scope of that term.”).

Re: US judge rules Luigi Mangione won't face death penalty in CEO killing case

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The article doesn't explain clearly why, even though no one seems to be disputing the murder, the murder charge is being dismissed. It's because of jurisdiction. Normally, only states have jurisdiction over murders. The feds can charge murder if and only if the murder is connected to some other federal "crime of violence" (e.g. killing a federal official, murder-for-hire across state lines). Here, the federal 'hook'…

While I can't name any specific case, I seem to recall a true crime involving two separate trials, one for federal charges and one for state charges. The person was acquitted of one and was then tried for the other. Somehow, this doesn't count as double jeopardy. It felt morally wrong to do so, but apparently legal. It is called "dual sovereignty doctrine".

Re: US judge rules Luigi Mangione won't face death penalty in CEO killing case

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article says why the death penalty is no longer on the table — because the federal murder and weapons charges were dismissed, and the remaining charges do not qualify for capital punishment. The article does not say why the charges were dismissed, though.

> because the federal murder and weapons charges were dismissed Why were these charges dismissed?

Federal courts do not have jurisdiction over murders by default. There are two obvious cases where they do (murder of a federal official, murder on federal land) and a shaky third category of "murder pursuant to another federal crime". In the past that third category has been used to charge organized criminals, anything that touches the interstate commerce act (drug trafficking/contract killing/etc), and terrorism.

Charging Mangione with federal murder connected to a federal stalking charge was relatively unprecedented, but they might get it to stick on appeal. Stalking is threatening but maybe not inherently violent, but that seems similar to bank robbery (where FDIC insurance is frequently used to grant federal jurisdiction over involved homicides).

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