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Obama deported criminals only and mostly at the border.
How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are
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Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are
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That's easy. In the same place all the murdering from ICE agents during Obama era was.
But by the same token - the obstruction of federal agents who are carrying out their lawful mandate was also in that same place.
True, the implementation was messed up. Those unlawful deportation cases should have been the ones to protest. Not demonizing all of ICE or flying Mexican flags.
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That's easy. In the same place all the murdering from ICE agents during Obama era was.
Okay let's say it is murder (regardless that there is broad disagreement and no charges)
What drives someone to feel emboldened to park their car in the middle of an ICE operation and then attempt to drive off after being told to stop?
What drives someone to run around spitting and kicking out lights on an ICE vehicle?
It's like I can understand why someone is a sports fan, despite not following sports myself. I can fully understand, although I don't support, why someone would join the Taliban or Tren De Aragua or whatever other group. I can understand those things. But I still struggle to understand the above.
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That's easy. In the same place all the murdering from ICE agents during Obama era was.
Okay let's say it is murder (regardless that there is broad disagreement and no charges) What drives someone to feel emboldened to park their car in the middle of an ICE operation and then attempt to drive off after being told to stop? What drives someone to run around spitting and kicking out lights on an ICE vehicle? It's like I can understand why someone is a sports fan, despite not following sports myself. I can…
>no charges
This seems a bit disingenuous
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How many times do you believe immigration agents showed up door to door with riot gear and rifles back then? When it was caught on camera during the Clinton administration it was one of the most polarizing images of his presidency
Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are
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That's easy. In the same place all the murdering from ICE agents during Obama era was.
Okay let's say it is murder (regardless that there is broad disagreement and no charges) What drives someone to feel emboldened to park their car in the middle of an ICE operation and then attempt to drive off after being told to stop? What drives someone to run around spitting and kicking out lights on an ICE vehicle? It's like I can understand why someone is a sports fan, despite not following sports myself. I can…
Empathy, that is what you appear to be missing in your equation. If I see someone about to chuck a baby off a cliff, I hope I step out of my normal comfort zone and do something. In that case it is probably pretty clear, and this one seems grey for some people, but for others, and myself include, ICE is affecting people's lives in ways that is unacceptable and we need to do something.
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How many times do you believe immigration agents showed up door to door with riot gear and rifles back then? When it was caught on camera during the Clinton administration it was one of the most polarizing images of his presidency https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli%C3%A1n_Gonz%C3%A1lez
That one was controversial not because it was the deportation of an illegal alien rather there were custody issues (abduction accusations) as well as the complication of persecution in the home country —in other words there were multiple issues complicating the deportation. Was he a political prisoner, was he abducted to the US?
Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Okay let's say it is murder (regardless that there is broad disagreement and no charges) What drives someone to feel emboldened to park their car in the middle of an ICE operation and then attempt to drive off after being told to stop? What drives someone to run around spitting and kicking out lights on an ICE vehicle? It's like I can understand why someone is a sports fan, despite not following sports myself. I can…
Empathy, that is what you appear to be missing in your equation. If I see someone about to chuck a baby off a cliff, I hope I step out of my normal comfort zone and do something. In that case it is probably pretty clear, and this one seems grey for some people, but for others, and myself include, ICE is affecting people's lives in ways that is unacceptable and we need to do something.
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Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's easy. In the same place all the murdering from ICE agents during Obama era was.
But by the same token - the obstruction of federal agents who are carrying out their lawful mandate was also in that same place. True, the implementation was messed up. Those unlawful deportation cases should have been the ones to protest. Not demonizing all of ICE or flying Mexican flags.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with flying Mexican flags. Americans fly flags of other countries all the time. There are English flags all over a nearby pub in my area. Heck, there is an entire national holiday for celebrating the Irish—a holiday for which the Defense Department made an exception to its policy of avoiding cultural observances.
The overreach by the current administration is what is driving the volume of protest activity. Specifically the high-volume targeting of lawful residents and Hispanic-looking citizens, and the “show your papers” geographical sweeps—none of which fit typical American notions of what is lawful.
To some extent this overreach is intentional, as an exercise in generating social media content, and to intentionally make people upset as a pretext for deploying greater levels of force.
It also seems politically performative since the current administration is focusing efforts in Chicago, Minnesota, Maine, etc, not Texas or Florida where there are far more undocumented immigrants.
There were protests against the Obama deportation campaign but they were far smaller because the campaign itself stayed within bounds that fit most people’s notions of lawfulness and propriety. They also did not make the huge mistake of deciding in advance to all-out defend every single bad decision by every law enforcement agent. That alone is a huge factor in the pushback that officials are getting, even from GOP and 2A leaders.