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Declassifying JUMPSEAT: an American pioneer in space

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Re: Declassifying JUMPSEAT: an American pioneer in space

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This blows me away. I worked on systems that processed the signals from these satellites at the ground sites. At the time, these were highly classified, requiring background investigations and a polygraph to be granted access to know about these things. All our work had to be performed in a SCIF and we were forbidden to discuss our work with anyone not cleared to know. The form that we had to sign when being briefed…

You also lose 4A for life per executive order.

Re: Declassifying JUMPSEAT: an American pioneer in space

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post #6

If you are curious what this is about. The US effectively wanted a geostationary satellite parked right over the high-latitude regions of the Soviet Union to intercept their signals. The problem is, that geostationary satellites must orbit directly above the equator. If you try to look at northern Russia from the equator, the curvature of the Earth gets in the way. So, the NRO used a Molniya (HEO) orbit as a clever c…

Molniya, the Russian word for “lightning”, of course indicates that the equivalent Russian agency was aware of and used this orbit, also.

Re: Declassifying JUMPSEAT: an American pioneer in space

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post #6

If you are curious what this is about. The US effectively wanted a geostationary satellite parked right over the high-latitude regions of the Soviet Union to intercept their signals. The problem is, that geostationary satellites must orbit directly above the equator. If you try to look at northern Russia from the equator, the curvature of the Earth gets in the way. So, the NRO used a Molniya (HEO) orbit as a clever c…

Molniya, the Russian word for “lightning”, of course indicates that the equivalent Russian agency was aware of and used this orbit, also.

Its the other way around, the soviets were the first to use this kind of orbit and proved its usefulness, hence the name.

Re: Declassifying JUMPSEAT: an American pioneer in space

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post #8

“The historical significance of JUMPSEAT cannot be understated,” said Dr. James Outzen, NRO director of the Center for the Study of National Reconnaissance. I'm no native speaker but that is backwards, right? Shouldn't it be overstated if it was a success?

Native here: you’re correct it’s a weird sentence and turn of phrase in English.

That said, can/cannot is a flexible word in English and we could take it to mean “Anyone discussing the significance of JUMPSEAT [accurately] [should never] understate it.”

But I think he meant overstate in this case. Or maybe he hated JUMPSEAT, thought it sucked and put that right out there in the press release.

Re: Declassifying JUMPSEAT: an American pioneer in space

#17

This blows me away. I worked on systems that processed the signals from these satellites at the ground sites. At the time, these were highly classified, requiring background investigations and a polygraph to be granted access to know about these things. All our work had to be performed in a SCIF and we were forbidden to discuss our work with anyone not cleared to know. The form that we had to sign when being briefed…

You also lose 4A for life per executive order.

(4A = Fourth Amendment, "unreasonable searches and seizures")

Re: Declassifying JUMPSEAT: an American pioneer in space

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post #4

This blows me away. I worked on systems that processed the signals from these satellites at the ground sites. At the time, these were highly classified, requiring background investigations and a polygraph to be granted access to know about these things. All our work had to be performed in a SCIF and we were forbidden to discuss our work with anyone not cleared to know. The form that we had to sign when being briefed…

I'm sure I don't need to say it, but what got declassified and the work you did are very, very different things. Pretty much everything in the notice is included in this article, so anything you're not reading.... Best to keep to yourself.

Not to worry. Unlike trump, I didn't remove classified info from the SCIF and store it in my bathroom or share it with Russian dinner guests. I hold my oaths seriously.

Re: Declassifying JUMPSEAT: an American pioneer in space

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I am kind of curious: if this kind of data collection was possible then, what is it possible today to see and collect using satellites? Feels like all the crazy satellite capabilities in spy movies are not that crazy after all.

The laws of physics haven't changed. Despite some technical advancements we still can't read a license plate from a satellite like what you see in the movies. This is due to fundamental physical limits.
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