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Re: Devuan – Debian Without Systemd

#12

Post by dingdingdang »

I use another distro but totally appreciate the effort to keep different branches of potential futures alive. Humans have a tendency, in tech and most other domains afaict, to put a lot of eggs in one basket because it's easier/allows-faster-moving-forward.. but that basket may have structural weaknesses that only shows once it has A LOT of eggs in it.

Re: Devuan – Debian Without Systemd

#13

Post by MadnessASAP »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #6

I like Devuan because it matches the Linux I learned - people who learned with a Systemd distro might not like it as much.

I personally am very much happy that Linux is not like the Linux I learned. Slackware was an excellent learning experience and will always hold a dear place in my heart and memories, but not on any of my computers.

Re: Devuan – Debian Without Systemd

#14

Post by lillecarl »

dingdingdang wrote: post #12

I use another distro but totally appreciate the effort to keep different branches of potential futures alive. Humans have a tendency, in tech and most other domains afaict, to put a lot of eggs in one basket because it's easier/allows-faster-moving-forward.. but that basket may have structural weaknesses that only shows once it has A LOT of eggs in it.

Yep, the Linux kernel comes to mind. There are niche alternatives but mostly everyone settles on Linux as their kernel because it's easier and allows moving faster forwards.

Re: Devuan – Debian Without Systemd

#16

Post by fernandotakai »

MadnessASAP wrote: post #13
phendrenad2 wrote: post #6

I like Devuan because it matches the Linux I learned - people who learned with a Systemd distro might not like it as much.

I personally am very much happy that Linux is not like the Linux I learned. Slackware was an excellent learning experience and will always hold a dear place in my heart and memories, but not on any of my computers.

same. i still remember how painful it was to setup services without systemd.

having to manually deal with daemons was so painful, to the point of being exoteric.

Re: Devuan – Debian Without Systemd

#17

Post by jackielii »

GuestFAUniverse wrote: post #9

I don't care: I can administer with relatively high confidence any Redhat- or Debian-derivate. Thanks to systems. Most issues regarding systemd I encountered were due to a halfway adoption (Debian). Some things like timers are a bit more cumbersome than "the old way", but I wouldn't want to miss the added robustness. Most things systemd implements lead to _less_ issues. And writing a systemd unit is pretty easy, cont…

Well said!

Re: Devuan – Debian Without Systemd

#18

Post by Tistron »

fernandotakai wrote: post #16
MadnessASAP wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally am very much happy that Linux is not like the Linux I learned. Slackware was an excellent learning experience and will always hold a dear place in my heart and memories, but not on any of my computers.

same. i still remember how painful it was to setup services without systemd. having to manually deal with daemons was so painful, to the point of being exoteric.

Exoteric is the opposite of esoteric, which is the word you mean :)

Re: Devuan – Debian Without Systemd

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Post by egorfine »

As a passionate systemd hater I still will not go back to using older bash-based initsystems and thus devuan.

I strongly believe that systemd brand is a worst thing that happened to Linux, hindering the spread and innovation in the Linux space, but at the same time I have to admit that systemd-as-pid1 is the best init system out there.

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