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Re: You can just port things to Cloudflare Workers

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Post by locknitpicker »

kStadler01 wrote: post #2

I really like the offering that Cloudflare has with workers, but for me they just seem to be lacking some DX tooling/solutions. Debugging is hell, but for quick projects like this I'll definitely look into it again. These days Railway is my go-to for hosting "throw-away" projects. Always wondering how its going for folks that are using Cloudflare Workers as their main infra?

> I really like the offering that Cloudflare has with workers, but for me they just seem to be lacking some DX tooling/solutions.

Cloudflare in general is a DX mess. Sometimes it's dashboard doesn't even work at all, and is peppered with error messages. Workers + Wrangler + it's tooling doesn't even manage to put together a usable or coherent change log, which makes it very hard to even track how and why their versioning scheme should be managed.

Cloudflare is a poster child of why product managers matter. They should study AWS.

Re: You can just port things to Cloudflare Workers

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Post by locknitpicker »

NamlchakKhandro wrote: post #4
kStadler01 wrote: post #2

I really like the offering that Cloudflare has with workers, but for me they just seem to be lacking some DX tooling/solutions. Debugging is hell, but for quick projects like this I'll definitely look into it again. These days Railway is my go-to for hosting "throw-away" projects. Always wondering how its going for folks that are using Cloudflare Workers as their main infra?

> Debugging is hell Most people won't care because the extent of their debugging skills is console.log, echo, print. repeat 5000 times.

> Most people won't care because the extent of their debugging skills is console.log, echo, print. repeat 5000 times.

I don't agree. The first thing any developer does when starting out a project is setting up their development environment, which includes being able to debug locally. Stdout is the absolute last option on the table, used when all else fails.

Re: You can just port things to Cloudflare Workers

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Post by locknitpicker »

csomar wrote: post #7
kStadler01 wrote: post #2

I really like the offering that Cloudflare has with workers, but for me they just seem to be lacking some DX tooling/solutions. Debugging is hell, but for quick projects like this I'll definitely look into it again. These days Railway is my go-to for hosting "throw-away" projects. Always wondering how its going for folks that are using Cloudflare Workers as their main infra?

I'm building my entire back-end on CF Workers. The DX was really frustrating starting out, but I'm using Rust/WASM, which means most of my issues get caught at compile time. My suggestion: avoid all the CF offerings (DB, Pages, KV, etc.) and stick with just Workers. They're pretty stable and reliable (more so than Cloudflare itself, hehe), and once you figure out their rough edges, you'll be fine.

> I'm building my entire back-end on CF Workers. The DX was really frustrating starting out, but I'm using Rust/WASM, which means most of my issues get caught at compile time.

Cloudflare Workers support WASM, which is how they support any runtime beyond JavaScript. Cloudflare Worker's support for WASM is subpar, which is reflected even in things like the Terraform provider. Support for service bindings such as KV does not depend on WASM or anything like that: you specify your Wrangler config and you're done. I wonder what you are doing to end up making a series of suboptimal decisions.

Re: You can just port things to Cloudflare Workers

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Post by jddj »

huijzer wrote: post #8
csomar wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm building my entire back-end on CF Workers. The DX was really frustrating starting out, but I'm using Rust/WASM, which means most of my issues get caught at compile time. My suggestion: avoid all the CF offerings (DB, Pages, KV, etc.) and stick with just Workers. They're pretty stable and reliable (more so than Cloudflare itself, hehe), and once you figure out their rough edges, you'll be fine.

What DB do you use? I tried the same for while but eventually gave up because it was incredibly restrictive and not much cheaper than a self managed VPS with some Docker containers. I mean the biggest thing that could happen to me is landing on the HN front page and a $5 per month VPS can manage that easily

You won't beat a good self-managed VPS with some docker containers unless you start adding criteria like SLAs and whatnot.

Then you'll still not beat a good self-managed VPS but you'll have someone else to blame

Re: You can just port things to Cloudflare Workers

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Post by pjmlp »

locknitpicker wrote: post #10
pjmlp wrote: post #5

No I cannot, because I usually don't use the programming languages it supports.

> No I cannot, because I usually don't use the programming languages it supports. You didn't even bothered to open the link, as it covers how the blogger vibecoded a couple of projects that convert existing projects built with different languages+frameworks to run on Cloudflare Workers.

Yes, and that is exactlyt the problem, some of us do read the articles before posting.

Re: You can just port things to Cloudflare Workers

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Post by pjmlp »

fragmede wrote: post #9
pjmlp wrote: post #5

No I cannot, because I usually don't use the programming languages it supports.

Given that they support WASM, which then means they support traditional compiled languages life C, C++, Golang, and Rust, what're you using, Malbodge?

Yeah, they are the only ones everyone uses, there is nothing else.

And even those, have you ever tried anything beyond printf debugging? I bet not.

Re: You can just port things to Cloudflare Workers

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Post by tombert »

I use Cloudflare Pages for my blog, and I really like it, but my static blog generator (Quartz) only supports Giscus, which requires signing in with a GitHub account.

I was thinking I might be able to hobble together a vibe-coded straightforward thing with Rust-> WASM to make an embeddable comment system, using Cloudflare Workers.

I gotta say that Workers are shockingly pleasant to use. I think I might end up using them for a bigger project.

Re: You can just port things to Cloudflare Workers

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Post by h33t-l4x0r »

l5870uoo9y wrote: post #6

Cloudflare Workers has really improved lately, e.g. "Observations" and "Metrics", and on top of that their product suite keeps growing all the time. If you use Astro[1] together with Cloudflare then you have a solution that is at least on par with NextJS and Vercel, but that only costs a fraction. My latest project[2] also uses Astro and Cloudflare and it is rendered on the "edge" (i.e. SSR) in about 100ms – you won'…

I tried to port a nextjs project to cf + astro recently and it was a nightmare of usability and build issues. I'm sure they will work it out eventually but I won't be trying it again any time soon.

Re: You can just port things to Cloudflare Workers

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Post by h33t-l4x0r »

jddj wrote: post #14
huijzer wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What DB do you use? I tried the same for while but eventually gave up because it was incredibly restrictive and not much cheaper than a self managed VPS with some Docker containers. I mean the biggest thing that could happen to me is landing on the HN front page and a $5 per month VPS can manage that easily

You won't beat a good self-managed VPS with some docker containers unless you start adding criteria like SLAs and whatnot. Then you'll still not beat a good self-managed VPS but you'll have someone else to blame

CF workers are v8 isolates FYI

Re: You can just port things to Cloudflare Workers

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Post by l5870uoo9y »

h33t-l4x0r wrote: post #18
l5870uoo9y wrote: post #6

Cloudflare Workers has really improved lately, e.g. "Observations" and "Metrics", and on top of that their product suite keeps growing all the time. If you use Astro[1] together with Cloudflare then you have a solution that is at least on par with NextJS and Vercel, but that only costs a fraction. My latest project[2] also uses Astro and Cloudflare and it is rendered on the "edge" (i.e. SSR) in about 100ms – you won'…

I tried to port a nextjs project to cf + astro recently and it was a nightmare of usability and build issues. I'm sure they will work it out eventually but I won't be trying it again any time soon.

While Cloudflare is long-established, the Workers platform is relatively new and did have the issues you described; however, over the past few months it has become stable. Compared to Vercel, it is more technical and advanced.
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