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Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

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Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

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Post by apatheticonion »

Having spent a significant amount of time in Bangkok - the city center (and many urban hubs) is an amazing walkable place with pedestrian walkways suspended above major roads, lots of frequent public transit (metro, skytrain) that honestly makes my home city of Sydney feel like a developing country.

The only downside is that traffic creates a lot of pollution, and the engine noise (not honking, there's very little of that) is so bad that you need to yell to a person standing next to you to have a conversation.

As a visitor, I can't claim to know how to fix the problems facing locals, however I can't help but feel that urban centers would be 1000x better with mass adoption of EVs (bikes, cars). I have seen a spike in the number of Chinese EVs across the city - however I'm aware that economic pressures prevent mass adoption by the majority of the road-users

Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

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Post by 46493168 »

ebiederm wrote: post #9
ares623 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just hope "dumb" EV's become a thing soon. I cannot and will not own a smart car any more I want to own a smart TV or smart fridge or smart toaster.

Does the 2026 Nissan Leaf meet your criteria for a dumb car? All it's connected features appear to come from Android Auto or Apple Car Play. AKA from a connection to your phone. I like the looks of it because it appears to be a serious EV unlike too many which are just some company getting their toes wet.

Does Nissan still air cool their batteries or have they wised up?

Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

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Post by everdrive »

ebiederm wrote: post #9
ares623 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just hope "dumb" EV's become a thing soon. I cannot and will not own a smart car any more I want to own a smart TV or smart fridge or smart toaster.

Does the 2026 Nissan Leaf meet your criteria for a dumb car? All it's connected features appear to come from Android Auto or Apple Car Play. AKA from a connection to your phone. I like the looks of it because it appears to be a serious EV unlike too many which are just some company getting their toes wet.

Does Nissan still not put telematics in the base model in 2026?

Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

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Post by presentation »

apatheticonion wrote: post #11

Having spent a significant amount of time in Bangkok - the city center (and many urban hubs) is an amazing walkable place with pedestrian walkways suspended above major roads, lots of frequent public transit (metro, skytrain) that honestly makes my home city of Sydney feel like a developing country. The only downside is that traffic creates a lot of pollution, and the engine noise (not honking, there's very little of…

To me, Bangkok feels very much like a developing country.

If you go to Chinese cities, the EV adoption has incredible positive effects to the vibe, though. Shanghai’s French concession is so quiet and peaceful now that most cars are EVs.

Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

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Post by everdrive »

ebiederm wrote: post #9
ares623 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just hope "dumb" EV's become a thing soon. I cannot and will not own a smart car any more I want to own a smart TV or smart fridge or smart toaster.

Does the 2026 Nissan Leaf meet your criteria for a dumb car? All it's connected features appear to come from Android Auto or Apple Car Play. AKA from a connection to your phone. I like the looks of it because it appears to be a serious EV unlike too many which are just some company getting their toes wet.

Looking at the specs page the base model includes "Dual 12.3" widescreen displays" Why? What the hell is wrong with modern cars?

Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

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Post by jayd16 »

ares623 wrote: post #4
princevegeta89 wrote: post #3

No surprises. No matter how we look at it, EVs are much friendlier and safer to the environment. Some people argue the source of electricty can be contested against because that involves fossil fuel burning again, but in today's world we are rapidly moving away from it and towards nuclear/hydel/wind methods for generating power. I hope ICE cars completely become a thing of the past in the next couple of decades to co…

I just hope "dumb" EV's become a thing soon. I cannot and will not own a smart car any more I want to own a smart TV or smart fridge or smart toaster.

We'll probably see the death of the dumb ICE car first.

Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

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Post by i80and »

46493168 wrote: post #12
ebiederm wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does the 2026 Nissan Leaf meet your criteria for a dumb car? All it's connected features appear to come from Android Auto or Apple Car Play. AKA from a connection to your phone. I like the looks of it because it appears to be a serious EV unlike too many which are just some company getting their toes wet.

Does Nissan still air cool their batteries or have they wised up?

The 2026 redesign has put in a proper liquid cooling loop.

(Battery heating is inexplicably an extra $300 option, and not available on the base trim AFAICS?)

Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

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Post by rootusrootus »

everdrive wrote: post #15
ebiederm wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does the 2026 Nissan Leaf meet your criteria for a dumb car? All it's connected features appear to come from Android Auto or Apple Car Play. AKA from a connection to your phone. I like the looks of it because it appears to be a serious EV unlike too many which are just some company getting their toes wet.

Looking at the specs page the base model includes "Dual 12.3" widescreen displays" Why? What the hell is wrong with modern cars?

Lots (most?) cars are going to LCDs for the instrument panel. The second screen is the infotainment.

Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

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Post by rootusrootus »

ares623 wrote: post #4
princevegeta89 wrote: post #3

No surprises. No matter how we look at it, EVs are much friendlier and safer to the environment. Some people argue the source of electricty can be contested against because that involves fossil fuel burning again, but in today's world we are rapidly moving away from it and towards nuclear/hydel/wind methods for generating power. I hope ICE cars completely become a thing of the past in the next couple of decades to co…

I just hope "dumb" EV's become a thing soon. I cannot and will not own a smart car any more I want to own a smart TV or smart fridge or smart toaster.

The differentiating factor is not EV vs ICE. All cars have or will soon have telematics and such.

Re: Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

i80and wrote: post #7
shiftpgdn wrote: post #5

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Just buy one and remove the SIM card.

They often have eSIMs I think, but (depending probably on the car) pulling the modem's fuse can be safe. That's the case for the VW ID.4 at least.

I want the car to be able to contact emergency services, but not to otherwise be able to use the cellular network. Is there a good way to sabotage the eSIM, without otherwise breaking the modem? (This would still allow the car to be tracked via IMEI, but I'm not too worried about that: anyone capable of that is also capable of tracking my actual phone, and anyone buying that data will already know what car I own.)
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