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Why Windows Just Can’t Win

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Re: Why Windows Just Can’t Win

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Post by nilium »

mrng wrote: post #3

As Lt. Commander Worf would say, "We shall see".

Oddly enough, this is probably the only reasonable response. Of course, you don't get clicks by saying, "let's wait and see." You have to go out, pants off, hopping on a table and shouting, "Windows 8 can't win!" So, that's what people will write.

With Windows 8, I think we'll probably see more mild annoyance as folks buy new PCs for their homes. After two weeks, they'll likely get used to it, then we'll never hear another word about Windows 8 failing. I just don't see the change being so enormous that users will really care long enough to affect anything.

It'll probably be like Vista: a lot of people dislike it without using it, some dislike it for a specific reason (like drivers), and most get along with it just fine and don't really have any problems. The UI changes are enough to probably increase the size of the group complaining, especially the group that hasn't used it, but I don't think it's enough to stop Windows 8 from succeeding in the long run.

Re: Why Windows Just Can’t Win

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Post by cbaleanu »

lawdawg wrote: post #8
cbaleanu wrote: post #7

So much hate for Microsoft. I'm at awe. Like one commenter on the article's page said, If Apple would do that kind of launch experiment, everybody would praise them for how revolutionay they are. Microsoft has a real chance of claiming a big chunk of the market, not from Apple, but from the messy Android ecosystem, with a clear brand and a simple product lineup.

People said the same exactly thing w.r.t Android when Windows Phone 7 was released. I think history speaks for itself.

The WP7 was a flop indeed. They launched it almost without any backup. With the W8 product line however, they rebranded everything, creating an unitary brand image, much like Apple did a while ago. And that's why I did the Android statement. They provide to all the predominantly tech savvy users of Android an unified experience that is not Cupertino flavored.

Re: Why Windows Just Can’t Win

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Post by hamidpalo »

So Windows can't succeed because they've announced their products and aren't spacing the announcement and the codename used for the design language is actually a trademark owned by someone else?

I'm sure that people are buying the new BMW 5 series because they like the name of the design language (Flame Surfacing) and because it was launched in Hong Kong. The actual quality of the product doesn't matter.

Re: Why Windows Just Can’t Win

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Post by oemera »

daigoba66 wrote: post #6
recursive wrote: post #4

Wait, Windows 8 and Windows RT are different things?

Windows RT is a version of Windows 8 built to run on ARM processors. "Metro" style apps can be compiled to run on Windows RT and downloaded from the Windows App Store. However traditional desktop software cannot be compiled for or installed on Windows RT.

I don't mean to be that guy but it's called Windows Marketplace not Windows App Store.

Re: Why Windows Just Can’t Win

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Post by manojlds »

oemera wrote: post #14
daigoba66 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows RT is a version of Windows 8 built to run on ARM processors. "Metro" style apps can be compiled to run on Windows RT and downloaded from the Windows App Store. However traditional desktop software cannot be compiled for or installed on Windows RT.

I don't mean to be that guy but it's called Windows Marketplace not Windows App Store.

No, it's called the Windows Store

Re: Why Windows Just Can’t Win

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Post by [deleted] »

oemera wrote: post #14
daigoba66 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows RT is a version of Windows 8 built to run on ARM processors. "Metro" style apps can be compiled to run on Windows RT and downloaded from the Windows App Store. However traditional desktop software cannot be compiled for or installed on Windows RT.

I don't mean to be that guy but it's called Windows Marketplace not Windows App Store.

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Re: Why Windows Just Can’t Win

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Post by hresult »

daigoba66 wrote: post #6
recursive wrote: post #4

Wait, Windows 8 and Windows RT are different things?

Windows RT is a version of Windows 8 built to run on ARM processors. "Metro" style apps can be compiled to run on Windows RT and downloaded from the Windows App Store. However traditional desktop software cannot be compiled for or installed on Windows RT.

"However traditional desktop software cannot be compiled for or installed on Windows RT."

What you meant to say that existing Windows apps cannot be installed or run on Windows RT. Technically they can be compiled to ARM, but there is no way you can install them. And Windows RT cannot emulate x86.

Re: Why Windows Just Can’t Win

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Post by habitue »

"Oh, and can you guess when Apple — now the world’s biggest company — announces its first earnings post-iPhone 5? Oct. 24. "

Uh, yeah. An earnings report is going to steal the thunder of a product launch.

"It doesn’t matter if Microsoft creates the greatest operating system in the world if it then allows others to junk it up. And, ultimately, it means that Microsoft isn’t in control of its brand."

No one can succeed if they give up absolute control of their platforms to OEMs ... oh wait that's exactly what android does. And OEMs put (non-uninstallable!) crapware on android phones, and they still sell. Only Apple is pushing the complete control angle, and while it works for them, it's hardly the only model that could work.

I love android phones, and while I won't be getting a windows phone, I think this article's arguments are pretty weak and don't have enough substance to back up that link bait title.

Re: Why Windows Just Can’t Win

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Post by css771 »

cbaleanu wrote: post #12
lawdawg wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People said the same exactly thing w.r.t Android when Windows Phone 7 was released. I think history speaks for itself.

The WP7 was a flop indeed. They launched it almost without any backup. With the W8 product line however, they rebranded everything, creating an unitary brand image, much like Apple did a while ago. And that's why I did the Android statement. They provide to all the predominantly tech savvy users of Android an unified experience that is not Cupertino flavored.

The tech savvy Android users? They would be the last people to switch to WP. That thing does not have a viable way to run unsigned applications. No proper multitasking, no proper notifications. What exactly about WP is supposed to attract tech savvy users?
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