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House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by foogazi »

unstyledcontent wrote: post #3

Here in Minneapolis, there have been multiple anecdotal reports of ICE being able to remotely unlock cars, disable them, and even open windows. Whether its true, its certainly seems possible. Its made me very concerned about public safety if we allow our government to have this power. I actually believe being able to own and use a vehicle freely should be protected under the 2nd amendment. Im picturing a world where…

> Its made me very concerned about public safety if we allow our government to have this power.

ICE says it can legally enter homes without a warrant

So we’re beyond concern now

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by newsoftheday »

alistairSH wrote: post #7
mhurron wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bicycles are also not a viable replacement for almost all the uses of a vehicle. None of this advice is useful.

Beg to differ, they're viable for basically all local use cases... Groceries? Yep. School? Yep. Commuting? Yep. Etc. They aren't viable for hauling multi-ton loads, or covering long distances, that's about it.

Not in Texas, they're not viable for most uses, the parent commenter is completely correct.

The same is true for many states in the US, perhaps even most of the US.

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by willk »

alistairSH wrote: post #7
mhurron wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bicycles are also not a viable replacement for almost all the uses of a vehicle. None of this advice is useful.

Beg to differ, they're viable for basically all local use cases... Groceries? Yep. School? Yep. Commuting? Yep. Etc. They aren't viable for hauling multi-ton loads, or covering long distances, that's about it.

Depends on where you live. I live in the sticks. 2 hour rides to the store on a windy road isn't really viable.

Moreover, time is a limited resource. Even adding 15 minutes here and there take away time I would have to spend with family, work on a project, etc.

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by scotty79 »

unstyledcontent wrote: post #3

Here in Minneapolis, there have been multiple anecdotal reports of ICE being able to remotely unlock cars, disable them, and even open windows. Whether its true, its certainly seems possible. Its made me very concerned about public safety if we allow our government to have this power. I actually believe being able to own and use a vehicle freely should be protected under the 2nd amendment. Im picturing a world where…

> if we allow our government

This is so tiresome when people who don't have a single tank think they are in a position to allow people with tanks to do this or that.

Things happen because their value for people in power exceeds the value of your consent. And you have fewer and fewer ways to make your consent any more valuable to cross the threshold of relevancy.

I know it's an attractive illusion to believe that people have a say. But it's time to shake it off because this veil is one of the things used for control.

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by colechristensen »

SoftTalker wrote: post #6
unstyledcontent wrote: post #3

Here in Minneapolis, there have been multiple anecdotal reports of ICE being able to remotely unlock cars, disable them, and even open windows. Whether its true, its certainly seems possible. Its made me very concerned about public safety if we allow our government to have this power. I actually believe being able to own and use a vehicle freely should be protected under the 2nd amendment. Im picturing a world where…

Some of this is over-the-top paranoia. If ICE wants to get into your car, they'll just break the window. It's been very long established that nobody has a "right" to operate a motor vehicle. It's something you are permitted to do under the terms of a license, and it's fairly regulated (though not as much as in some other countries).

>It's been very long established that nobody has a "right" to operate a motor vehicle. It's something you are permitted to do under the terms of a license, and it's fairly regulated (though not as much as in some other countries).

Sure you do, in private nobody can be prevented. You need a license and insurance to drive on public roads.

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by uriegas »

mhurron wrote: post #5
lapetitejort wrote: post #4

Bicycles do not have software to install a kill switch. They do not have license plates to be read by surveillance cameras. They do not require costly insurance to legally ride. They are not powered by fossil fuels. Buy a bike. Learn to maintain it. Advocate for safe biking infrastructure in your area.

Bicycles are also not a viable replacement for almost all the uses of a vehicle. None of this advice is useful.

Transportation influences urban development. That is why most houses have a garage. There is no such thing as private transport (streets are public). Transportation has been heavily centralized since the New Deal. The bicycle was okay for most people living in cities in the 30s, now it is not because the government has favored the car infrastructure over the last decades. I think we need to start with not letting government develop their big infrastructure projects which are not resilient. Advocating for the use of bicycles might make sense in some places yet bicycle infrastructure is required.

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by tim-tday »

SoftTalker wrote: post #6
unstyledcontent wrote: post #3

Here in Minneapolis, there have been multiple anecdotal reports of ICE being able to remotely unlock cars, disable them, and even open windows. Whether its true, its certainly seems possible. Its made me very concerned about public safety if we allow our government to have this power. I actually believe being able to own and use a vehicle freely should be protected under the 2nd amendment. Im picturing a world where…

Some of this is over-the-top paranoia. If ICE wants to get into your car, they'll just break the window. It's been very long established that nobody has a "right" to operate a motor vehicle. It's something you are permitted to do under the terms of a license, and it's fairly regulated (though not as much as in some other countries).

Having vehicle override would be an extremely concerning capability. (If confirmed)

Your take on “rights” if wrong to the point of insanity. You literally don’t know what rights are and should stop talking.

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by iamnothere »

willk wrote: post #13
alistairSH wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Beg to differ, they're viable for basically all local use cases... Groceries? Yep. School? Yep. Commuting? Yep. Etc. They aren't viable for hauling multi-ton loads, or covering long distances, that's about it.

Depends on where you live. I live in the sticks. 2 hour rides to the store on a windy road isn't really viable. Moreover, time is a limited resource. Even adding 15 minutes here and there take away time I would have to spend with family, work on a project, etc.

Exactly. I love bikes and live near a grocery store, but unfortunately getting to that store (or anywhere really) requires a few minutes of travel on a dangerously busy highway. It’s not safe to bike that road regularly.

I once lived somewhere that was half an hour from the store by car. Thankfully that isn’t the case anymore.

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by thangalin »

alistairSH wrote: post #7
mhurron wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bicycles are also not a viable replacement for almost all the uses of a vehicle. None of this advice is useful.

Beg to differ, they're viable for basically all local use cases... Groceries? Yep. School? Yep. Commuting? Yep. Etc. They aren't viable for hauling multi-ton loads, or covering long distances, that's about it.

> that's about it.

Avid cyclist here.

* Extreme Weather: Severe heat, heavy snow, or torrential rain can make biking unsafe or impractical without specialized gear and high physical endurance.

* Accessibility & Mobility Issues: Individuals with certain physical disabilities or chronic health conditions may find traditional cycling impossible. (This also affects an aging population.)

* Time Constraints: For those with "trip-chaining" needs (e.g., daycare drop-off → work → grocery store → gym), the extra time required for cycling can be prohibitive.

* Infrastructure: Older adults are more sensitive to "heavy traffic" and "lack of safe places." Seniors don't stop cycling because they can't do it, but because they don't feel safe in traffic. (Good argument for upgrading roadways.)

* Care-giving: When parents become dependent on their children, often the children need to shuttle their parents around. A parent with dementia who escaped into the neighbourhood can be rapidly collected and ushered home in a car, not so much a bike.

* Theft & Vandalism: I've never had a car stolen. Two locked bikes, on the other hand...

Re: House vote keeps federal "kill switch" vehicle mandate

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Post by uriegas »

newsoftheday wrote: post #12
alistairSH wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Beg to differ, they're viable for basically all local use cases... Groceries? Yep. School? Yep. Commuting? Yep. Etc. They aren't viable for hauling multi-ton loads, or covering long distances, that's about it.

Not in Texas, they're not viable for most uses, the parent commenter is completely correct. The same is true for many states in the US, perhaps even most of the US.

Agree. Texas is pretty bad. In most places you cannot exist without a car. No wonder Mcallen is the most obese city the US.
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