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Key parts of Ubuntu 13.04 will be developed in secret

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Re: Key parts of Ubuntu 13.04 will be developed in secret

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Post by Karunamon »

kkowalczyk wrote: post #8
Karunamon wrote: post #4

Shuttleworth is sick of Ubuntu features being torn apart by critics before they’re ready. Well maybe if Shuttleworth didn't require a crap interface and built in ads on the desktop and making smartass comments when challenged about it, they wouldn't be torn apart by critics.

Maybe if we didn't have "critics" like you that are quick to rant and diss other people work while not doing anything themselves, highly-visible projects wouldn't have this problem and wouldn't require such steps. I lead a fairly successful open-source project and I'm on the receiving end of this attitude of entitlement as well. People don't realize how much work goes into developing of software and when you give it…

>it's very demoralizing to have non-constructive, abusive comments like the above ("crap interface" )?

I'm sorry, compared to standard GNOME (v2, v3 can join Unity on the junkpile IMAO) or KDE, Unity is crap, and I am hardly alone in that opinion.

Perhaps certain open source developers just suck at taking any kind of criticism? That's sure what these moves feel like.

I would bet large sums of money we're going to see something distasteful come of this, along the lines of further intrusive desktop advertising ala Amazon Lens.

Maybe if you would start listening to the community more when there's a large outcry (amazon lens, unity, gnome 3, etc etc etc) there would be fewer people who feel they are "entitled" to a desktop experience that doesn't suck!

Re: Key parts of Ubuntu 13.04 will be developed in secret

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Post by montecarl »

zzleeper wrote: post #10

(Honest question) Is there any user-friendly alternative to Ubuntu? I switched from Win7 to 12.04 a few weeks ago, but it's full of tiny-yet-annoying bugs. EG: sometimes a program disapears from ALT-TAB and I need to minimize everything else to find it. Or the resize-window border that is barely half a pixel thin.

I haven't liked Ubuntu very much in the past couple of years. I just don't care for the UI at all. I have really liked Linux Mint (http://linuxmint.com) so far. They still maintain a Gnome 2 desktop that is very stable.

Re: Key parts of Ubuntu 13.04 will be developed in secret

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Post by 1SaltwaterC »

imchillyb wrote: post #9

IMO, Mr. Shuttleworth is a douche. This is the person that forced his user base into living with interface and design decisions they did not want. The decisions made by Shuttleworth have nothing to do with FOSS or the users. His decisions were made solely with personal goals in mind. Mr. Shuttleworth desired a single code base for Ubuntu. That meant merging the desktop version of Ubuntu and his proposed baby, the por…

You still have Gnome, KDE, Xfce, etc. So, why the fuss?

Re: Key parts of Ubuntu 13.04 will be developed in secret

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Post by donniezazen »

Karunamon wrote: post #11
kkowalczyk wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe if we didn't have "critics" like you that are quick to rant and diss other people work while not doing anything themselves, highly-visible projects wouldn't have this problem and wouldn't require such steps. I lead a fairly successful open-source project and I'm on the receiving end of this attitude of entitlement as well. People don't realize how much work goes into developing of software and when you give it…

>it's very demoralizing to have non-constructive, abusive comments like the above ("crap interface" )? I'm sorry, compared to standard GNOME (v2, v3 can join Unity on the junkpile IMAO) or KDE, Unity is crap , and I am hardly alone in that opinion. Perhaps certain open source developers just suck at taking any kind of criticism? That's sure what these moves feel like. I would bet large sums of money we're going to se…

Can you explain in great details questioning the design choices made by Unity and how it is crap. I like both Unity and Gnome 3.

Re: Key parts of Ubuntu 13.04 will be developed in secret

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Post by spindritf »

Karunamon wrote: post #11
kkowalczyk wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe if we didn't have "critics" like you that are quick to rant and diss other people work while not doing anything themselves, highly-visible projects wouldn't have this problem and wouldn't require such steps. I lead a fairly successful open-source project and I'm on the receiving end of this attitude of entitlement as well. People don't realize how much work goes into developing of software and when you give it…

>it's very demoralizing to have non-constructive, abusive comments like the above ("crap interface" )? I'm sorry, compared to standard GNOME (v2, v3 can join Unity on the junkpile IMAO) or KDE, Unity is crap , and I am hardly alone in that opinion. Perhaps certain open source developers just suck at taking any kind of criticism? That's sure what these moves feel like. I would bet large sums of money we're going to se…

I like both Unity and integrated search allowing me to easily access whatever I'm looking for whether it's locally or on Google Docs/Drive. It's possible that I'm an outlier but I don't think that's the case.

I don't think people who routinely use Gmail, Flickr, Facebook, Dropbox, or virtually any other online service care deeply about a few searches being anonymously forwarded to Amazon.

Re: Key parts of Ubuntu 13.04 will be developed in secret

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Post by Karunamon »

donniezazen wrote: post #14
Karunamon wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>it's very demoralizing to have non-constructive, abusive comments like the above ("crap interface" )? I'm sorry, compared to standard GNOME (v2, v3 can join Unity on the junkpile IMAO) or KDE, Unity is crap , and I am hardly alone in that opinion. Perhaps certain open source developers just suck at taking any kind of criticism? That's sure what these moves feel like. I would bet large sums of money we're going to se…

Can you explain in great details questioning the design choices made by Unity and how it is crap. I like both Unity and Gnome 3.

http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/unity.html

http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gnome-3.html

Same guy, takes the words out of my mouth in both cases.

Worth mentioning is that they have, admittedly, made a great deal of progress. Unity isn't the buggy mess that it was back a couple of major releases ago, which renders moot a good deal of the author's complaints.

I could still do without the mandatory 3d acceleration (which wouldn't be so bad if they would leave Unity 2D alone but nope, they're killing that off.....) and the full screen , space wasting interface. I am on a desktop, not a netbook. Optimize accordingly, please.

Unity is a fine interface for smaller screens and mobile devices. Not so much for the desktop.

Re: Key parts of Ubuntu 13.04 will be developed in secret

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Post by incision »

Karunamon wrote: post #11
kkowalczyk wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe if we didn't have "critics" like you that are quick to rant and diss other people work while not doing anything themselves, highly-visible projects wouldn't have this problem and wouldn't require such steps. I lead a fairly successful open-source project and I'm on the receiving end of this attitude of entitlement as well. People don't realize how much work goes into developing of software and when you give it…

>it's very demoralizing to have non-constructive, abusive comments like the above ("crap interface" )? I'm sorry, compared to standard GNOME (v2, v3 can join Unity on the junkpile IMAO) or KDE, Unity is crap , and I am hardly alone in that opinion. Perhaps certain open source developers just suck at taking any kind of criticism? That's sure what these moves feel like. I would bet large sums of money we're going to se…

>I'm sorry, compared to standard GNOME or KDE, Unity is crap, and I am hardly alone in that opinion.

Missing the point completely.

The parent was pretty clear about "non-constructive, abusive" being the issue, not the argument for or against Unity you're trying to frame.

Re: Key parts of Ubuntu 13.04 will be developed in secret

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Post by columbo »

zzleeper wrote: post #10

(Honest question) Is there any user-friendly alternative to Ubuntu? I switched from Win7 to 12.04 a few weeks ago, but it's full of tiny-yet-annoying bugs. EG: sometimes a program disapears from ALT-TAB and I need to minimize everything else to find it. Or the resize-window border that is barely half a pixel thin.

It really depends on what you consider user friendly. If you want fast access to the top ten applications you will normally use and an OS that is almost entirely hidden go for crunchbang (http://crunchbang.org/) (video demo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBuqWPcsTig&feature=relat...) . CB has been my distro of choice for several years now.

Re: Key parts of Ubuntu 13.04 will be developed in secret

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Post by Zigurd »

That seems awfully thin-skinned. Having written a couple books for programmers, hate mail is just part of the landscape, and the more your own tastes and opinions come into play, the more there is for people to disagree about. Sticks and stones, etc.

Ultimately it's not crucially important. But it's also unnecessary. And if you don't have Google's resources behind your behind-closed-doors development, you could be missing out on community contributions.

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