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Re: Chatbot Psychosis

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Post by yoz-y »

Aeglaecia wrote: post #7

ten bucks says this condition ends up evolving in the same way that female hysteria did what if llms are actually equivalent to humans in sentience ? wouldn't that make everyone psychotic except those in "chatbot psychosis" ?

Don’t know if it is the same for everyone. But when I experienced psychosis I definitely thought I was on a “higher plane” of thinking than others. That didn’t help me get a single idea through and of course it was all BS. So no, it definitely is not a desirable state of mind.

Re: Chatbot Psychosis

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

sublinear wrote: post #9
derrida wrote: post #3

As I understand it - a person with psychosis is someone who has over-weighted perceptions that cannot be corrected with sensory input. Hence to "bring someone to their senses". I've seen and thought there might be a few programmers maybe with a related (not psychosis) "ai mania" - where one thinks one changing the world and uniquely positioned. It's not that we're not capable in our small ways with network effects, o…

I recently rewatched "The Lawnmower Man" [0] and was not disappointed. The vast majority of the comments I see promoting the notion of "AI" achieving AGI sound like the Jobe Smith character from the movie. [0]: Seemingly legit upload by current license/IP holders/owners? https://youtube.com/watch?v=cm2FbJE2wsQ

LLM/"reasoning" models will not manifest "AGI" anytime soon, as it would take 75% of our galaxy energy output to bring the error rate to average human levels.

However, several Neuromorphic computing projects look a lot more viable, and may bring the energy consumption needs down by several orders of magnitude. =3

"Ghost in the Shell" was a far better story.

Re: Chatbot Psychosis

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Post by Aeglaecia »

yoz-y wrote: post #11
Aeglaecia wrote: post #7

ten bucks says this condition ends up evolving in the same way that female hysteria did what if llms are actually equivalent to humans in sentience ? wouldn't that make everyone psychotic except those in "chatbot psychosis" ?

Don’t know if it is the same for everyone. But when I experienced psychosis I definitely thought I was on a “higher plane” of thinking than others. That didn’t help me get a single idea through and of course it was all BS. So no, it definitely is not a desirable state of mind.

i don't wish to debate the accuracy of your experience , however i will challenge it a bit - perhaps all psychotics believe they are on a higher plane of thinking , this does not imply that all those on a higher plane of thinking are psychotics

Re: Chatbot Psychosis

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Post by Lerc »

I would be interested to see a comparison between this and reefer madness.

There was a time when media coverage could have easily convinced you of something that was not true.

How can you distinguish reporting of a real phenomenon to that of a imagined one? Barring a scientific consensus being reached after significant analysis, do we just roll the dice and hope the guess that conforms to our prejudices turns out to be the right one.

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Post by andsoitis »

strogonoff wrote: post #5
derrida wrote: post #3

As I understand it - a person with psychosis is someone who has over-weighted perceptions that cannot be corrected with sensory input. Hence to "bring someone to their senses". I've seen and thought there might be a few programmers maybe with a related (not psychosis) "ai mania" - where one thinks one changing the world and uniquely positioned. It's not that we're not capable in our small ways with network effects, o…

Humans don’t exist as standalone individuals, and a lot of our experience is shaped by being in a larger graph of people. I suspect it’s under-appreciated how social our perception is: in order to tell each other about X, we need to classify reality, define X and separate it from non-X; and because we (directly or indirectly) talk to each other so much, because we generally don’t just shut off the part of ourselves t…

> if treating that which quite successfully pretends to be a natural conversation with a human as nothing more than a data structure query comes so naturally to them, what does it say about how they see conversing with us, the actual humans around them?

You are suspicious of people who treat an AI chatbot for what it is, just a tool?

Re: Chatbot Psychosis

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Post by andsoitis »

Aeglaecia wrote: post #13
yoz-y wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t know if it is the same for everyone. But when I experienced psychosis I definitely thought I was on a “higher plane” of thinking than others. That didn’t help me get a single idea through and of course it was all BS. So no, it definitely is not a desirable state of mind.

i don't wish to debate the accuracy of your experience , however i will challenge it a bit - perhaps all psychotics believe they are on a higher plane of thinking , this does not imply that all those on a higher plane of thinking are psychotics

What is this higher plane you’re talking about?

Re: Chatbot Psychosis

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Post by yoz-y »

Aeglaecia wrote: post #13
yoz-y wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t know if it is the same for everyone. But when I experienced psychosis I definitely thought I was on a “higher plane” of thinking than others. That didn’t help me get a single idea through and of course it was all BS. So no, it definitely is not a desirable state of mind.

i don't wish to debate the accuracy of your experience , however i will challenge it a bit - perhaps all psychotics believe they are on a higher plane of thinking , this does not imply that all those on a higher plane of thinking are psychotics

Fair point, but unless I’m misunderstanding something, that same argument could be applied to your original statement.

Re: Chatbot Psychosis

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Post by doublerabbit »

andsoitis wrote: post #16
Aeglaecia wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i don't wish to debate the accuracy of your experience , however i will challenge it a bit - perhaps all psychotics believe they are on a higher plane of thinking , this does not imply that all those on a higher plane of thinking are psychotics

What is this higher plane you’re talking about?

Astral, Spiritual plane.

The same place that Psychonauts try to reach out too.

Re: Chatbot Psychosis

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Post by doublerabbit »

yoz-y wrote: post #11
Aeglaecia wrote: post #7

ten bucks says this condition ends up evolving in the same way that female hysteria did what if llms are actually equivalent to humans in sentience ? wouldn't that make everyone psychotic except those in "chatbot psychosis" ?

Don’t know if it is the same for everyone. But when I experienced psychosis I definitely thought I was on a “higher plane” of thinking than others. That didn’t help me get a single idea through and of course it was all BS. So no, it definitely is not a desirable state of mind.

I did too, I took a heroic dose of 2C-e stupidity during my teens. Enter psychosis and believed I was somewhere else than earth.
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