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Nvidia contacted Anna's Archive to access books

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Re: Nvidia contacted Anna's Archive to access books

#11

It's generous of them to ask for permission.

It wasn't about permission, it was about high-speed access. They needed Anna's Archive to facilitate that for them, scraping was too slow. It's incredible that they were allowed to continue even after Anna's Archive themselves explicitly pointed out that the material was acquired illegally.

Re: Nvidia contacted Anna's Archive to access books

#12
post #3

> In response, NVIDIA defended its actions as fair use, noting that books are nothing more than statistical correlations to its AI models. Does this even make sense? Are the copyright laws so bad that a statement like this would actually be in NVIDIA’s favor?

Did you pirated this movie? No I did not, it is fair use because this movie is nothing more than a statistical correlation to my dopamine production.

Re: Nvidia contacted Anna's Archive to access books

#13
post #3

> In response, NVIDIA defended its actions as fair use, noting that books are nothing more than statistical correlations to its AI models. Does this even make sense? Are the copyright laws so bad that a statement like this would actually be in NVIDIA’s favor?

Did you pirated this movie? No I did not, it is fair use because this movie is nothing more than a statistical correlation to my dopamine production.

The movie played on my screen but I may or may not have seen the results of the pixels flashing. As such, we can only state with certainty that the movie triggered the TV's LEDs relative to its statistical light properties.

Re: Nvidia contacted Anna's Archive to access books

#14
post #3

> In response, NVIDIA defended its actions as fair use, noting that books are nothing more than statistical correlations to its AI models. Does this even make sense? Are the copyright laws so bad that a statement like this would actually be in NVIDIA’s favor?

It seems so, stealing copyrighted content is only illegal if you do it to read it or allow others to read it. Stealing it to create slop is legal.

(The difference, is that the first use allows ordinary poeple to get smarter, while the second use allows rich people to get (seemingly) richer, a much more important thing)

Re: Nvidia contacted Anna's Archive to access books

#16

I'm not saying it will change anything but going after Anna's archive while most of the big AI players intensely used it is quite something

Short-term thinking, they don't care about where the data comes from but how easy is to get it. Its probably decided at project-manager level.

Re: Nvidia contacted Anna's Archive to access books

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post #15

Sounds like BS. Why would nvidia need the books. Do they even have a chatbot? I doubt the books help with framegen.

I cant see the whole relevant section in the article, but there is a screenshot of part of the legal documents that states "In response, NVIDIA sought to develop and demonstrate cutting edge LLMs at its fall 2023 developer day. In seeking to acquire data for what it internally called "NextLargeLLM", "NextLLMLarge" and-" (cuts off here)

Re: Nvidia contacted Anna's Archive to access books

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post #3

> In response, NVIDIA defended its actions as fair use, noting that books are nothing more than statistical correlations to its AI models. Does this even make sense? Are the copyright laws so bad that a statement like this would actually be in NVIDIA’s favor?

It does make sense. It’s controversial. Your memory memorizes things in the same way. So what nvidia does here is no different, the AI doesn’t actually copy any of the books. To call training illegal is similar to calling reading a book and remembering it illegal.

Our copyright laws are nowhere near detailed enough to specify anything in detail here so there is indeed a logical and technical inconsistency here.

I can definitely see these laws evolving into things that are human centric. It’s permissible for a human to do something but not for an AI.

What is consistent is that obtaining the books was probably illegal, but say if nvidia bought one kindle copy of each book from Amazon and scraped everything for training then that falls into the grey zone.

Re: Nvidia contacted Anna's Archive to access books

#20

It's generous of them to ask for permission.

It wasn't about permission, it was about high-speed access. They needed Anna's Archive to facilitate that for them, scraping was too slow. It's incredible that they were allowed to continue even after Anna's Archive themselves explicitly pointed out that the material was acquired illegally.

That's just normal US modus operandi. The court case against Maduro is allowed to continue even after everyone has acknowledged he was acquired illegally.
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