> I said, "That's not tracked."
> It is tracked.
> I have a dashboard.
> I don't share the dashboard.
Classic.
Last year I eliminated our PTO policy. I called it "unlimited."
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Re: Last year I eliminated our PTO policy. I called it "unlimited."
#12Imagine trying this policy in Europe or anywhere with workplace rights.
I am trying to imagine. The end result is similar. In Europe it would be "unlimited unpaid vacation days on top of the mandatory paid vacation". The same problems will appear: self-restrict to taking it. Management would never help employees to take the days. My manager does not help me even take the mandatory legal days, it's all on me to deal with priorities and deliverables and find a way to still take vacation. With decent managers, there would be no burnout, but we are in a crisis of morals in corporate management, the job of most current managers is to make a career at the expense of the employees.
Re: Last year I eliminated our PTO policy. I called it "unlimited."
#13I have unlimited PTO.
It's not company policy. I don't take time off.
It's not law, which says 7 days per year is legal.
I just do what I want. Like not showing up saying I'm sick or "working" from home for a week.
Or doing my stuff on my laptop at the office.
If manager asks about something I say I'm working on it.
But no one asks. They don't want to be cause of a good employee quitting.
I set conservative estimates and I do literal minimum to technically reach them.
Everybody loves this system. No one can tell I'm slacking and I'm more chill as a person.
Re: Last year I eliminated our PTO policy. I called it "unlimited."
#14This one I always found super weird, because typically in Europe you just can't carry days over beyond the current year, so that argument for it never really held. Or at least, not many, my current employer lets me roll over 5 but they have to be used by 1st March.
In the UK we're typically by law entitled to 25 days inc. bank (i.e. public) holidays, but most 'professional' jobs will give you at least 25 days plus bank holidays giving a total of ~33ish days per year of leave. When one of the bank holidays would fall on a weekend (e.g. Christmas Day) then it's transferred to the Monday following. Very very occasionally, there are additional bank holidays added e.g. for the Royal Wedding in 2011 one was created.
Often companies will give you a few more days after a number of years of service e.g. an additional 4 days after 5 years. Public sector jobs are usually more generous again e.g. 32 days + bank holidays plus some 'closure' days meaning ~42ish days of leave.
Re: Last year I eliminated our PTO policy. I called it "unlimited."
#15"Unlimited" PTO is an oddity that can only exist when you don't have statutory minimums. https://www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-rights "Almost all people classed as workers are legally entitled to 5.6 weeks’ paid holiday a year (known as statutory leave entitlement or annual leave)."
True unlimited PTO can exist in the UK, though the "unlimited" PTO can't, as employees can't agree to less than the statutory minimum.
That said, unscrupulous employers try to get around this by putting stupid requirements on taking PTO that practically mean taking your legal allocation aren't possible. Things like "we need minimum staff levels to cover" and, shockingly enough, you don't have enough staff to actually give out everyone's PTO. Combine this with requiring long timeframes to book it and your manager "forgetting" you had PTO booked and insecure job contracts and you have a recipe for grinding your staff to dust.
Re: Last year I eliminated our PTO policy. I called it "unlimited."
#16This one I always found super weird, because typically in Europe you just can't carry days over beyond the current year, so that argument for it never really held. Or at least, not many, my current employer lets me roll over 5 but they have to be used by 1st March. In the UK we're typically by law entitled to 25 days inc. bank (i.e. public) holidays, but most 'professional' jobs will give you at least 25 days plus ba…
In Austria, they roll over. I recently changed jobs and cashed in my unused vacation days to cover the expenses during the transition. It worked very well, and my previous employer was happy that I stayed during the entire switch period instead of just taking 2 months of vacation days. They had no issues paying those days out, because it meant I stayed in the chair longer to train my replacements.
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#17This is just a shitpost sadly, not an actual executive.
This is taken from an actual (confidential) executive manual.
Re: Last year I eliminated our PTO policy. I called it "unlimited."
#18Replying to a shitpost, but...
If it has to be approved by a manager, it's not unlimited.
Re: Last year I eliminated our PTO policy. I called it "unlimited."
#19Imagine trying this policy in Europe or anywhere with workplace rights.
I am trying to imagine. The end result is similar. In Europe it would be "unlimited unpaid vacation days on top of the mandatory paid vacation". The same problems will appear: self-restrict to taking it. Management would never help employees to take the days. My manager does not help me even take the mandatory legal days, it's all on me to deal with priorities and deliverables and find a way to still take vacation. W…
Oh I don't doubt that the mandated leave entitlements and severance would be kept. But I think actual leave taken would increase, bounded only by the fact that taking holidays is expensive, and kids have to go to school. So you balance your career progression and hence holiday spending power in the future against immediate satisfaction from taking leave. I think many jobs without a meaningful career trajectory would experience massive leave taking. Remember, these people can't be fired or demoted in any way. If the work has to be done, it might even cause employers to incentivise work differently.
Re: Last year I eliminated our PTO policy. I called it "unlimited."
#20If an employer is going to advertise unlimited PTO, I surely will take a week off every quarter in the US, plus any necessary sick time. Not using PTO doesn't make sense.