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The Human in the Loop

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Re: The Human in the Loop

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> My worry isn't that software development is dying. It's that we'll build a culture where "I didn't review it, the AI wrote it" becomes an acceptable excuse.

I try to review 100% of my dependencies. My criticism of the npm ecosystem is they say "I didn't review it, someone else wrote it" and everyone thinks that is an acceptable excuse.

Re: The Human in the Loop

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Why would I want to take advice about keeping humans in the loop from someone who let an LLM write 90% of their blog post?

On what basis did you make this judgement? I found the article to be reasonable and not excessively padded.

But here's the thing. The LLM house writing style isn't just annoying, it's become unreadable through repeated exposure. This really gets to the heart of why human minds are starting to slide off it.

Re: The Human in the Loop

#13
These posts claiming that "we will review the output" etc., and that claim software engineers will still need to apply their expertise and wisdom to generated outputs, never seem to think this all the way through. Those who write such articles might indeed have enough experience and deep knowledge to evaluate AI outputs. What of subsequent generations of engineers? What about the forthcoming wave of people who may never attain the (required) deep knowledge, because they've been dependent on these generation tools during the course of their own education?

The structures of our culture combined with what generative AI necessarily is means that expertise will fade generationally. I don't see a way around that, and I see almost no discussion of ameliorating the issue.

Re: The Human in the Loop

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On what basis did you make this judgement? I found the article to be reasonable and not excessively padded.

But here's the thing. The LLM house writing style isn't just annoying, it's become unreadable through repeated exposure. This really gets to the heart of why human minds are starting to slide off it.

Not trying to be rude but your very short reply is hard to understand. "Unreadable", "starting to slide off", I honestly don't know what you're saying here.

Re: The Human in the Loop

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These posts claiming that "we will review the output" etc., and that claim software engineers will still need to apply their expertise and wisdom to generated outputs, never seem to think this all the way through. Those who write such articles might indeed have enough experience and deep knowledge to evaluate AI outputs. What of subsequent generations of engineers? What about the forthcoming wave of people who may ne…

The invention of calculators did not cause society to collapse.

Smart and industrious people will focus energy on economically important problems. That has always been the case.

Everything will work out just fine.

Re: The Human in the Loop

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These posts claiming that "we will review the output" etc., and that claim software engineers will still need to apply their expertise and wisdom to generated outputs, never seem to think this all the way through. Those who write such articles might indeed have enough experience and deep knowledge to evaluate AI outputs. What of subsequent generations of engineers? What about the forthcoming wave of people who may ne…

>software engineers will still need to apply their expertise and wisdom to generated outputs

And in my experience they don't really do that. They trust that it'll be good enough.

Re: The Human in the Loop

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But here's the thing. The LLM house writing style isn't just annoying, it's become unreadable through repeated exposure. This really gets to the heart of why human minds are starting to slide off it.

Not trying to be rude but your very short reply is hard to understand. "Unreadable", "starting to slide off", I honestly don't know what you're saying here.

Pretty sure they are mocking LLM outputs by making their own comment look like as if it came from LLM. It's sarcasm.

Re: The Human in the Loop

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> who's responsible when that clone has a bug that causes someone to make a bad trade? Who understands the edge cases? Who can debug it when it breaks in production at 3 AM?

"A computer cannot be held accountable. Therefore a computer must never make a business decision." —IBM document from 1970s

Re: The Human in the Loop

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These posts claiming that "we will review the output" etc., and that claim software engineers will still need to apply their expertise and wisdom to generated outputs, never seem to think this all the way through. Those who write such articles might indeed have enough experience and deep knowledge to evaluate AI outputs. What of subsequent generations of engineers? What about the forthcoming wave of people who may ne…

This is why you aren't seeing GenAI used more in law firms. Lawyers can be disbarred by erroneous hallucinations, so they're all extremely cautious about using them. Imagine if there was that kind of accountability in our profession.

Re: The Human in the Loop

#20
> Mike asks: "If an idiot like me can clone a [Bloomberg terminal] that costs $30k per month in two hours, what even is software development?"

So that’s the baseline intellectual rigor we’re dealing with here.

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