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EU and Mercosur countries sign landmark free trade deal

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Re: EU and Mercosur countries sign landmark free trade deal

#11

The eventual aim is to join all these blocs up.

Isn't the eventual aim of all of us on this planet that we all trade free, live peacefully and have our own prosperous lives?

Quite a few people are willing to ruin their own lives and prosperity to make others worse off. Once you realize that, a lot of things become more explicable.

Re: EU and Mercosur countries sign landmark free trade deal

#12
This is a bad deal for many European countries that still have a strong farming industry, and for Europeans in general too.

Once again, Germany has pushed through its interests at the expense of other European nations like Poland. This time even France was against it.

What is Germany going to get? A new market for their decaying automobile industry.

What is the rest of Europe going to get? Cheap, low quality food shipped thousands of kilometers. Food produced with lower standards than food produced in the EU - so farmers in Europe now have to face unfair competition.

Re: EU and Mercosur countries sign landmark free trade deal

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I'm surprised Trump didn't threaten involved parties with tariffs or military action over that yet. As a European, very happy about that happening, for multiple reasons. It's a shame it took so long

Well yesterday he already imposed tariffs on several EU countries because they oppose the annexation of Greenland, so I wouldn't be surprised if he does the same in this case.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/trump-vows-tariffs-eigh...

Re: EU and Mercosur countries sign landmark free trade deal

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post #3

I'm surprised Trump didn't threaten involved parties with tariffs or military action over that yet. As a European, very happy about that happening, for multiple reasons. It's a shame it took so long

The multiple reasons being exactly?

In my opinion it is a net negative for all countries in Europe, but one.

Re: EU and Mercosur countries sign landmark free trade deal

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post #12

This is a bad deal for many European countries that still have a strong farming industry, and for Europeans in general too. Once again, Germany has pushed through its interests at the expense of other European nations like Poland. This time even France was against it. What is Germany going to get? A new market for their decaying automobile industry. What is the rest of Europe going to get? Cheap, low quality food shi…

This is an incredibly mid take.

This is a boon for any European manufacturing and tech company. Not "just" German car manufacturers but especially machining and pharmaceutical companies.

Farming is already incredibly subsidized in the EU, and has an outsized political capital for their importance based on historical momentum. This is also primarily bad for the beef industry, which is produced in the EU using very intensive and polluting (ammonia) methods which are also bad for animal welfare. They deserve no sympathy.

Re: EU and Mercosur countries sign landmark free trade deal

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post #3

I'm surprised Trump didn't threaten involved parties with tariffs or military action over that yet. As a European, very happy about that happening, for multiple reasons. It's a shame it took so long

Trump used this card already, he already imposed tariffs once so nobody cares about that threat anymore.

That's the thing with tariffs, they only work once.

Re: EU and Mercosur countries sign landmark free trade deal

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post #12

This is a bad deal for many European countries that still have a strong farming industry, and for Europeans in general too. Once again, Germany has pushed through its interests at the expense of other European nations like Poland. This time even France was against it. What is Germany going to get? A new market for their decaying automobile industry. What is the rest of Europe going to get? Cheap, low quality food shi…

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Re: EU and Mercosur countries sign landmark free trade deal

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There is some valid criticism raised by farmers in my country (Romania) related to use of pesticides and other substances that are forbidden in EU, but permitted in Mercosur and products can be imported even with the forbidden substances in it. That sounds pretty bad, consumer protection is the only part that I still like about modern EU.

Re: EU and Mercosur countries sign landmark free trade deal

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the eventual aim of all of us on this planet that we all trade free, live peacefully and have our own prosperous lives?

Quite a few people are willing to ruin their own lives and prosperity to make others worse off. Once you realize that, a lot of things become more explicable.

But I don't think their goal is explicitly to make others worse off, it's just the consequence of their actions. But in their mind, they're rightful, they're doing the best they can and they care about others on the level "you should". Most people think like this, including you and me.
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