I don't know what gets through to the average voter. Maybe Jesse Ventura: https://youtube.com/watch?v=udSUbBhA8I0
Minnesota is under siege. This cannot stand
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Re: Minnesota is under siege. This cannot stand
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> flouting
It was never cities' job to enforce immigration law either, so legally cities were doing nothing wrong. Rather cities have been working to their own incentives about what best encourages local-law-abiding residents to work with police and get local crimes solved.
Therefore, any so-called "flouting" is pure speech (either pragmatic or political) that we expect to have in an open society. You fascist boosters always dress up Constitutionally-protected activity in emotionally charged language - "flouting", "defiance", "belligerence", "disrespect", and so on - as if we're some dictatorship where obedience is value #1. But this is the exact opposite of the actual United States.
It is however the job of the federal government to conform to the limits outlined in the US Constitution. So if we're talking about the legal situation here, it is the federal government that is in flagrant default, causing chaos and mayhem in American cities. In fact given the willfulness, it's almost like the federal government is being controlled by our adversaries.
Re: Minnesota is under siege. This cannot stand
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(Pedantry) I doubt the real Diogenes would have cared about jurisdictions, laws, countries or borders:
Aristippus: if you'd learn to flatter the king, you wouldn't have to eat lentils
Diogenes: if you'd learn to eat lentils, you wouldn't have to flatter the king
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>So when a city declares itself a 'sanctuary city' ...they are saying that because immigarion law is federal (as you point out) they will not assist in its enforcement. >democrats to just bring in tens of millions of illegal immigrants No one, except the immigrants themselves, brought the immigrants here. That's what makes one an immigrant....they immigrate. >Why can't we just go back to having a rule of law? This is…
>...they are saying that because immigarion law is federal (as you point out) they will not assist in its enforcement.
Not true, they previously reported non-citizens to ICE under Obama and Obama deported more than 3 million... You don't even have your baseline understanding of what's going on correct. Immigration laws shouldn't be selectively enforced depending on who is in the White House.
Re: Minnesota is under siege. This cannot stand
#15General Strike. Shut down the economy until ICE is out. Put the Trump administration under economic siege. It is peaceful, and it will work.
The problem I've found is coordinating. The idea that we need a sizable chunk of the country to all work together in leaderless organization, is noble but lofty. Every attempt I've ever seen is something extremely easy for the feds to disrupt like a Facebook, Reddit, or Discord group, where everyone collectively bikesheds and no decisions get made.
Completely agree; it's a classic game theory problem. One could start with every union that could be gotten on board, perhaps?
Re: Minnesota is under siege. This cannot stand
#16I don't know what gets through to the average voter. Maybe Jesse Ventura: https://youtube.com/watch?v=udSUbBhA8I0
We're going to have to wait until Boomers age out to get any form of common sense government. They've absolutely been the most damaging generation and will leave a wake of destruction for future generations to recover (or not) from.
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I think Obama administration waasn't perfect, but I think it was the right move to focus on the citzenship status for deportations rather than racial background. I think if Obama had the Tea party protestors declared "illegals" and authorized lethal force against anyone who disagreed, it'd negatively affect his media coverage.
Re: Minnesota is under siege. This cannot stand
#18I don't know what gets through to the average voter. Maybe Jesse Ventura: https://youtube.com/watch?v=udSUbBhA8I0
We're going to have to wait until Boomers age out to get any form of common sense government. They've absolutely been the most damaging generation and will leave a wake of destruction for future generations to recover (or not) from.
Waiting doesn't work; ask me how I know :-) (I voted with my feet instead: it only takes ~2 years to learn a language)
Actual substantive comment:
My personal theory (looking from this side of the Atlantic) is that ICE got weaponised in this format precisely because the US Military wanted no part of thuggery, eg this 2020 memo: https://www.jcs.mil/Portals/36/Documents/CJCS%20Memo%20to%20...
Is this a reasonable theory?
Re: Minnesota is under siege. This cannot stand
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
The article doesn’t talk about whether immigration enforcement is good, instead focusing on the side effects of the current federal deployment in Minnesota.
Sure, and I'm pointing out what's changed from Obama to Trump is the way that 'sanctuary cities' are complying with federal immigration laws. Under Obama, the sanctuary cities provided lists of students whose parents weren't citizens etc and the media didn't cover the arrests etc. It's selective enforcement of the law. When democrats are in power, they enforce it and media ignores it. When republicans are in power, t…
Why are you complaining so much about the past?
The tragedies unfolding today could have been prevented, with a little human dignity. Speaking of "illegal immigrants" to justify destroying lifes that in some cases had been spent entirely in the US is just that, a cheap blanket to cover inhumane and racist motives. The strawmen you create with "why is no other country allowed to have a border" are as disgusting as your silence to the most pressing current issues. Trump had many options to tighten the grip on immigrants, but i guess this is beyond you aswell.
Please answer me this one. Why is the crime of comming here illegally enough for your kind and nothing else matters? Please argue on a moral basis. I expect the same silence.
Re: Minnesota is under siege. This cannot stand
#20I don't know what gets through to the average voter. Maybe Jesse Ventura: https://youtube.com/watch?v=udSUbBhA8I0
We're going to have to wait until Boomers age out to get any form of common sense government. They've absolutely been the most damaging generation and will leave a wake of destruction for future generations to recover (or not) from.
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