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Opening the AWS European Sovereign Cloud
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#12Dear smart people on HN, what do you make of this? I understand most of you are US based. Is that Amazon getting ready for serious trade war, US/EU?
EU, as a US citizen, go all in and ditch the US as much as you can. Not only will this bring competition, it also means that the US Government cannot grab the balls of Amazon and squeeze the EU market.
I wouldn't trust Amazon with my data if I was an EU citizen. As a US citizen I don't even trust Amazon with my own data. This is why I support de-Google, de-Microsoft, and de-Apple computing.
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#13If Amazon is down in the US, would this work? The fact that they mention “any Amazon customer can access this” makes me think it’s intermingled / not cleanly separated and isolated from US infrastructure
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#14AWS EU reports to amazon.com in the USA. They are legally obligated to provide any data the US government requests.
They can provide any data available to Amazon employees in the US. They can't provide what they do not have.
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#15AWS EU reports to amazon.com in the USA. They are legally obligated to provide any data the US government requests.
They can provide any data available to Amazon employees in the US. They can't provide what they do not have.
Ultimately everyone reports to the CEO. They will just put enough Amazon CEOs to jail, until one grants access.
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#16If Amazon is down in the US, would this work? The fact that they mention “any Amazon customer can access this” makes me think it’s intermingled / not cleanly separated and isolated from US infrastructure
From what I’m understanding, it won’t be dependent anymore on us-east-1, but this isn’t mentioned explicitly. This is great, especially if you consider that some cut cable in the ocean could literally turn off a big part of the companies in a whole continent.
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
They can provide any data available to Amazon employees in the US. They can't provide what they do not have.
Ultimately everyone reports to the CEO. They will just put enough Amazon CEOs to jail, until one grants access.
Yes let's talk about all the billionaire CEOs that get sent to prison.
Anyway, the entire structure and premise of this business is that they cannot do that. A court cannot put a CEO in jail just because partner businesses do not follow his orders. Do you think it is maybe remotely possible, that Amazons lawyers and architects understand this a little bit better than you do?
I'm thinking they checked it out, they checked it out a couple of times.
There are some details in this comment from the other day: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46641592
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
They can provide any data available to Amazon employees in the US. They can't provide what they do not have.
Ultimately everyone reports to the CEO. They will just put enough Amazon CEOs to jail, until one grants access.
On the list of the things I doubt nowadays, an Amazon or Amazon subsidiary CEO going to jail is way up at the top.
They’ll get a national security letter for sure, but no one’s going to jail.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ultimately everyone reports to the CEO. They will just put enough Amazon CEOs to jail, until one grants access.
Yes let's talk about all the billionaire CEOs that get sent to prison. Anyway, the entire structure and premise of this business is that they cannot do that. A court cannot put a CEO in jail just because partner businesses do not follow his orders. Do you think it is maybe remotely possible, that Amazons lawyers and architects understand this a little bit better than you do? I'm thinking they checked it out, they che…
MS lawyers could not do it (MS testified in France that they cannot). What make us believe that Amazon lawyers can?
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ultimately everyone reports to the CEO. They will just put enough Amazon CEOs to jail, until one grants access.
On the list of the things I doubt nowadays, an Amazon or Amazon subsidiary CEO going to jail is way up at the top. They’ll get a national security letter for sure, but no one’s going to jail.
Likely the first one will immediately fold to avoid jail.
But for context the head of the FED is currently investigated for criminal charges, governors, mayors, judges etc. Why is a CEO of a company so special? Within hours the board can appoint another one.