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“Fluid gears” invention offers promise for improving mechanical devices

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Re: “Fluid gears” invention offers promise for improving mechanical devices

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Virtually zero torque right?

I don't see how it could even have any measurable torque.

You could improve it by making the cylinders have sticky-out bits that would scoosh the fluid around better, like little paddle wheels, and if you wanted to get some serious torque transfer you'd push the two paddle wheels so close together that the paddles actually kind of intersect.

Re: “Fluid gears” invention offers promise for improving mechanical devices

#12
post #7

Ever driven a vehicle with an automatic transmission rather than a manual gearshift with a clutch? Then you almost certainly used a fluid coupling: basically two fans in a can with oil so turning one turns the other. The article is so full of hype it doesn't bother to explain how this is different from the "fluid gears" invented in 1905.

> Ever driven a vehicle with an automatic transmission rather than a manual gearshift with a clutch? Then you almost certainly used a fluid coupling

Are you sure?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuously_variable_transmis...:

“The most common type of CVT uses a V-belt which runs between two variable-diameter pulleys.

[…]

A belt-driven design offers approximately 88% efficiency, which, while lower than that of a manual transmission, can be offset by enabling the engine to run at its most efficient speed regardless of the vehicle's speed.

[…]

Disadvantages of a hydrostatic CVT include:

Reduced efficiency. Gears are one of the most efficient methods of mechanical power transmission, with efficiencies as high as 90 percent in many cases. In contrast, few hydrostatic transmission systems achieve more than about 65 percent efficiency”

Re: “Fluid gears” invention offers promise for improving mechanical devices

#13
post #3

Virtually zero torque right?

I don't see how it could even have any measurable torque. You could improve it by making the cylinders have sticky-out bits that would scoosh the fluid around better, like little paddle wheels, and if you wanted to get some serious torque transfer you'd push the two paddle wheels so close together that the paddles actually kind of intersect.

you could increase fluid viscosity

Re: “Fluid gears” invention offers promise for improving mechanical devices

#14
post #12
post #7

Ever driven a vehicle with an automatic transmission rather than a manual gearshift with a clutch? Then you almost certainly used a fluid coupling: basically two fans in a can with oil so turning one turns the other. The article is so full of hype it doesn't bother to explain how this is different from the "fluid gears" invented in 1905.

> Ever driven a vehicle with an automatic transmission rather than a manual gearshift with a clutch? Then you almost certainly used a fluid coupling Are you sure? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuously_variable_transmis... : “The most common type of CVT uses a V-belt which runs between two variable-diameter pulleys. […] A belt-driven design offers approximately 88% efficiency, which, while lower than that of a ma…

CVT != Automatic transmission (which is generally hydraulic)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_transmission#Hydraul...

Re: “Fluid gears” invention offers promise for improving mechanical devices

#16
As what efficency? The artical doesn't say, but hydraulics and automatic transmissions have been around for a long time and are less efficient than regular gears or electric motors. Cars got a good efficieny boost then the locking torque converter was developed.

Re: “Fluid gears” invention offers promise for improving mechanical devices

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post #7

Ever driven a vehicle with an automatic transmission rather than a manual gearshift with a clutch? Then you almost certainly used a fluid coupling: basically two fans in a can with oil so turning one turns the other. The article is so full of hype it doesn't bother to explain how this is different from the "fluid gears" invented in 1905.

Many automatics these days are manual transmissions with a computer controlling the clutch. They have nothing in common with the slushboxes of old, the oil is just for lubrication.

Re: “Fluid gears” invention offers promise for improving mechanical devices

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post #12
post #7

Ever driven a vehicle with an automatic transmission rather than a manual gearshift with a clutch? Then you almost certainly used a fluid coupling: basically two fans in a can with oil so turning one turns the other. The article is so full of hype it doesn't bother to explain how this is different from the "fluid gears" invented in 1905.

> Ever driven a vehicle with an automatic transmission rather than a manual gearshift with a clutch? Then you almost certainly used a fluid coupling Are you sure? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuously_variable_transmis... : “The most common type of CVT uses a V-belt which runs between two variable-diameter pulleys. […] A belt-driven design offers approximately 88% efficiency, which, while lower than that of a ma…

There are also DCTs which IIRC don't use a torque converter. But chances are pretty good that an automatic transmission car uses a torque converter.

Re: “Fluid gears” invention offers promise for improving mechanical devices

#19
post #2

I'm not a fan of the bias towards "Gears are old tech, and that makes them bad" but I can see a lot of interesting possibilities with fluid coupling. The variables involved in power transmission for these things would be pretty wild to characterize, and the article video clearly shows inefficiencies in the system with the driven cylinder having counter rotational flow against it.

> I'm not a fan of the bias towards "Gears are old tech, and that makes them bad"

If the gears don't at least require an app with a subscription and regular updates to use, they must be old tech

/sarcasm

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