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LLMs are a 400-year-long confidence trick

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Re: LLMs are a 400-year-long confidence trick

#11
I agree that all the AI doomerism is silly (by which I mean those that are concerned about some Terminator-style machine uprising, the economic issues are quite real).

But it's clear the LLM's have some real value, even if we always need a human-in-the-loop to prevent hallucinations it can still massively reduce the amount of human labour required for many tasks.

NFT's felt like a con, and in retrospect were a con. The LLM's are clearly useful for many things.

Re: LLMs are a 400-year-long confidence trick

#13

"AI safety" groups are part of what's described here: you might assume from the general "safety" label that organizations like PauseAI or ControlAI would focus things like data center pollution, the generation of sexual abuse material, causing mental harm, or many other things we can already observe. But they don't. Instead, "AI safety" organizations all appear to exclusively warn of unstoppable, apocalyptic, and unp…

You are the masses. Are you afraid?

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Re: LLMs are a 400-year-long confidence trick

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"AI safety" groups are part of what's described here: you might assume from the general "safety" label that organizations like PauseAI or ControlAI would focus things like data center pollution, the generation of sexual abuse material, causing mental harm, or many other things we can already observe. But they don't. Instead, "AI safety" organizations all appear to exclusively warn of unstoppable, apocalyptic, and unp…

We should do both and it makes sense that different orgs have different focuses. It makes no sense to berate one set of orgs for not working on the exact type of thing that you want. PauseAI and ControlAI have each received less than $1 million in funding. They are both very small organizations as far as these types of advocacy non-profits go.

Re: LLMs are a 400-year-long confidence trick

#15
"People are falling in love with LLMs" and "P(Doom) is fearmongering" so close to each other is some cognitive dissonance.

The 'are LLMs intelligent?' discussion should be retired at this point, too. It's academic, the answer doesn't matter for businesses and consumers; it matters for philosophers (which everyone is even a little bit). 'Are LLMs useful for a great variety of tasks?' is a resounding 'yes'.

Re: LLMs are a 400-year-long confidence trick

#16

I think anyone who thinks that LLMs are not intelligent in any sense is simply living in denial. They might not be intelligent in the same way a human is intelligent, they might make mistakes a person wouldn't make, but that's not the question. Any standard of intelligence devised before LLMs is passed by LLMs relatively easily. They do things that 10 years ago people would have said are impossible for a computer to…

It's incredible that on Hacker News we still encounter posts by people who will or cannot differentiate mathematics from magic.

it's also incredible we find people which can't differentiate physics/mathematics from the magic of the human brain

Re: LLMs are a 400-year-long confidence trick

#17

"AI safety" groups are part of what's described here: you might assume from the general "safety" label that organizations like PauseAI or ControlAI would focus things like data center pollution, the generation of sexual abuse material, causing mental harm, or many other things we can already observe. But they don't. Instead, "AI safety" organizations all appear to exclusively warn of unstoppable, apocalyptic, and unp…

It's almost like there's enough people in the world that we can focus on and tackle multiple problems at once.

Re: LLMs are a 400-year-long confidence trick

#18

"AI safety" groups are part of what's described here: you might assume from the general "safety" label that organizations like PauseAI or ControlAI would focus things like data center pollution, the generation of sexual abuse material, causing mental harm, or many other things we can already observe. But they don't. Instead, "AI safety" organizations all appear to exclusively warn of unstoppable, apocalyptic, and unp…

You are the masses. Are you afraid?

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Re: LLMs are a 400-year-long confidence trick

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I think anyone who thinks that LLMs are not intelligent in any sense is simply living in denial. They might not be intelligent in the same way a human is intelligent, they might make mistakes a person wouldn't make, but that's not the question. Any standard of intelligence devised before LLMs is passed by LLMs relatively easily. They do things that 10 years ago people would have said are impossible for a computer to…

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Re: LLMs are a 400-year-long confidence trick

#20

"AI safety" groups are part of what's described here: you might assume from the general "safety" label that organizations like PauseAI or ControlAI would focus things like data center pollution, the generation of sexual abuse material, causing mental harm, or many other things we can already observe. But they don't. Instead, "AI safety" organizations all appear to exclusively warn of unstoppable, apocalyptic, and unp…

You are the masses. Are you afraid?

They don't need to instill fear in everyone, but only a critical mass and most importantly _regulators_.

So there will be laws because not everyone can be trusted to host and use this "dangerous", new tech.

And then you have a few "trusted" big tech firms forming an oligopoly of ai, with all of the drawbacks.

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